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any good suggestions for a good place for a friend to take his wife out for their anniversary in Brooklyn or Manhattan area besides restaurants?
TIA
Isn’t it proper to first ask the question whether Yidden ought to be celebrating a wedding “anniversary” altogether?
And, secondly, are you celebrating based on the Christian calendar or based on the Jewish calendar?
What are the answers?
Joseph,
It’s none of your business which anniversary he’s celebrating. Feel free to start a thread whether Jews should celebrate solar calendar events and whether they should celebrate an anniversary.
OP: I enjoy bowling, mini-golf and a walk in Winter Gardens.
FB: I’ve already made this thread a discussion of just that.
How about an Islanders game?
ooh can I play
“Isn’t it proper to first ask the question whether Yidden ought to be celebrating a wedding “anniversary” altogether?”
Not really. Like everything else it is muttar unless it is assur. So come up with a reason to asser. And I’l gladly explain why you are mistaken.
“And, secondly, are you celebrating based on the Christian calendar or based on the Jewish calendar?”
Probably neither. Though it in all likelihood may be based on the solar/civil calendar. It would hardly be the first thing based on the solar calendar. Vesein tal umatar, birchas hachama, nittel (if that is your minhag) Are all based on the civil calendar. For that matter the entire structure of our leap years is designed to keep us in sync with the solar/civil(/christian?) calendar so that every 19 years Jewish and secular/solar/(christian?) dates coincide give or take up to 2 days.
Furthermore As you may know the Gemara at the end of Makos says that “hasatan+ = 364 kineged the 364 days a year the satan has power except Yom kippur. Guess what kind of year has 365 days?
bottom line is while the phrase stam “a year” is counted based on months (i.e 12 or 13 lunar cycles), this is only becasue of a limud hakasuv of chadshim atah moneh and not days. If not for this limud “a year” would in fact be counted based on days i.e. the solar year which you call the “christian year” regarding a neder, sale, yahrtzeit etc There is no such limud regarding anniversaries, thus there is nothing wrong with counting based on the solar/civil year.
As for the OP
what do they like doing?
Why not check out mikomos dot com while geared towards dating I’m sure they can find something suitable for an anniversary outing
JFK (to Israel)
Hmmm… I have a 25th anniversary coming up this year. Watching this thread for ideas.
(And, for Joseph, yes, I will be celebrating… with or without your approval.)
The Wolf
At least promise me that you will only celebrate on the Jewish date and not on the non-Jewish date.
At least promise me that you will only celebrate on the Jewish date and not on the non-Jewish date.
A. I owe you no promises.
B. Any major celebration will likely take place on neither date, but on a date or dates close by.
C. We will probably privately recognize both (as we also celebrate the anniversary of the date we met).
The Wolf
Why do you “recognize” the non-Jewish date to celebrate when you can celebrate the anniversary on the Jewish date?
Josph: Why are you asking questions about why people do things? This thread is for ideas what to do to celebrate.
Wolf: Mazel Tov! Enjoy your celebration! Please let us know what you decided to do.
A beautiful gift would be an oversized Tehilim that you can both look into together on your anniversary, and pray from together with your spouse on your anniversary to beseech Hashem for everything you need.
since there is no halachic significance to anniversaries, the date you observe it can be the secular date if you so please.
Wow Joe that is so romantic.
Hi all
I’ve followed these rooms on and off for many years and its funny what makes me actually eventually post (though i think I did along time ago and I’ve lost that email address and password).
Anyway…. Joseph…. what’s up with you? Are you some flaming BT or something? Just chill.
My wife and I are very frum, even very yeshivish, but we celebrate both – so we can get two sets of presents from parents 🙂
“Isn’t it proper to first ask the question whether Yidden ought to be celebrating a wedding “anniversary” altogether?”
“At least promise me that you will only celebrate on the Jewish date and not on the non-Jewish date.”
Joseph,
Why is it that no matter what anyone asks or writes, you can be counted on to find some chumradik-sounding fault with it? Are you such a perfect tzadik that you can now turn your attention to criticizing others?
You are either a troll or a sick individual. If you’re really being serious, please get professional help quickly before you destroy yourself and your relationships!
“You are either a troll or a sick individual.”
Why are those exclusive?
I’m a flaming BT, as aquestioningjew realized. B”H my spouse and kids are all on the same wavelenth of being flaming BTs for the past 30 years, so it works out beautifully. I really should recognize that for some people this is as much as they can do. For Wolf’s level I told him I’d be happy if he’d promise to at least only celebrate the Jewish dates and not the non-Jewish dates. For you perhaps I should expect less and still be happy at least you keep more than a Half Shabbos. 😉 Obviously I’d expect much more from the Rosh Yeshiva’s einekel.
But like “aquestioningjew”, all I did was being a questioning Jew by asking, specifically, “Isn’t it proper to first ask the question whether Yidden ought to…”; I didn’t present it as a legal fact.
I have no idea of the circumstances of the OP’s friend.
Mrs. CTlawyer and I celebrated our 45th anniversary this year. We spent a day in NYC doing some of the things we’d done while dating all those years ago, and not since. Circle Line tour, Empire State Building Observation Deck and a trip to the Natural History Museum.
We did also make a shopping detour on 47th Street for a new bauble
“For you perhaps I should expect less and still be happy at least you keep more than a Half Shabbos. 😉 Obviously I’d expect much more from the Rosh Yeshiva’s einekel.”
If you’re referring to me, I have always kept “Full Shabbos” and am not a Rosh Yeshiva’s einekel.
As Wolf wrote, he owes you no promises and it’s not his job, or that of anyone else, to make you happy.
Get help.
Joseph – sad, very sad.
For anniversaries my wife and I enjoy going to places we went while we dating so many years ago.
Brings back memories of the good times 😉
I get my memories of the good times (i.e. yeshiva days) every time I go to a shiur!
I’m sorry that you feel you have to prove you love Torah more than your wife. Those of us who learnt in Yeshivah should (as should everyone) appreciate and understand the beauty and value of both.
Joseph,
What a happy place your home must be.
Get help. Fast.
I don’t have to prove anything. It is befirush that one must love Hashem more than one even loves his own children or spouse. (Rema, OC 98:1)
I don’t have to prove anything. It is befirush that one must love Hashem more than one even loves his own children or spouse. (Rema, OC 98:1)
And celebrating one’s anniversary is a contradiction of this… how?
(And, before you decide to frame your answer in terms of Gregorian vs. Jewish calendar, please remember that upthread, you intimated that it might not be proper to celebrate anniversaries altogether, regardless of which calendar you use.)
The Wolf
On the contrary, you have just proven exactly what we presumed about you.
We celebrate our love for Hashem several times a year. Celebrating your spouse once a year won’t detract from that.
Joseph,
If you have nothing to prove then what compels you to constantly make such holier-than-thou proclamations?
You come across as being extremely insecure.
I asked a question; I intimated nothing.
I’ll agree with The Goq. An Islanders game is a great place to go. Any other sports game would also be good. (Nets, Rangers, Knicks.)
Isn’t it proper to first ask the question whether Yidden ought to be going to a non-Jewish sports arena altogether?
Isn’t it proper to first ask the question whether Yidden ought to be breathing oxygen like goyim?
Joseph,
As usual, you’re right. A much more appropriate way to celebrate an anniversary, if at all, is to sit on the floor, crying, in sackcloth and ashes. Just like in your house.
Good times.
Joseph- Would you approve of how I celebrated my anniversary this year? As I gave my husband his supper I told him “Happy Anniversary”. It was on the hebrew date.
As long as the supper wasn’t burned I’m totally in favor of it. 😉
I asked a question; I intimated nothing.
Baloney.
If I say something like
“I like to eat tuna sandwiches”
and you respond with
“Isn’t it proper to first ask the question whether Yidden ought to be eating a tuna sandwich altogether?”
it is implied within the question that, in some way, it isn’t proper to be eating a tuna sandwich. To say otherwise means that you like to ask meaningless, pointless questions just to get a rise out of people. There is a word for people who do things like that.
The Wolf
Joseph,
Why are you in favor of it, as your original question still stands: How do we know that Yidden ought to be celebrating a wedding “anniversary” altogether? This word is not mentioned in Tanach, Mishna, Gemara or Poskim. Therefore, it should automatically qualify as Chukas Hagoyim.
Just like every other simple joy in life you have “questioned”.
Why are you in favor of it, as your original question still stands: How do we know that Yidden ought to be celebrating a wedding “anniversary” altogether?
Yes, you’re right. When you’re right, you’re right. I must admit, the question does still stand and my support may have been premature.
Joseph,
Please seek professional help right away. You are not well.
Are you medically licensed? Does the AMA or APA permit diagnosis-via-internet-forums?
Ripleys, 911 museum, Broadway… Go out to eat in a nice restaurant prime on the Bentley is AMAZING!!!
Everyone puleeze take your spouse on a good anniversary trip this is what every couple looks forward to, if you cant sleep somewhere than go out to eat or go to a park and walk around the track, even a new piece of jewels or cufflinks…
Whilst loath to bring torah to a forum, I must suggest something to those who say there is no Mekor for an anniversary. those involved in the “Seforim” will know that each day has its hashpo’o Milmaalah (see Berditcherver on I think Chanukah about why certain Nissim are celebrated and others not, see Maharal about Roch Chodesh Nissan, See Ohr gedalyohu on the same). Now, while it may be arguable that these hashpo’os always existed and our anniversaries do not affect this, I would say (only guessing but based on knowledge of above) that an anniversaries are a prime time to relate to the hashpo’o that existed on one’s wedding day and reunite under the Chuppah.
Bit flowery I know 🙂
you see Joseph, one can know a little Torah and still be happy 🙂
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