Anyone cancelling their subscription to Yated Neeman and switching to Hadegel?

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    Hagaon HaRav Chaim Kanievsky Shlita removed his association from Yated Neeman. The new publication Hadegel will be under his auspices. Is everyone cancelling their subscription to Yated Neeman as a demonstration of support to Harav Chaim Shlita?

    #1731054

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    Most Americans never switched from Hamodia to Yated in the first place, so I doubt it.

    What was the machlokes actually about? The home page article is clearly intentionally vague.

    #1731064

    DRAMA IN DEGEL HATORAH: New Chareidi Newspaper Creates Stir Across Israel

    Anyone that does not immediately cancel his/her subscription, lacks kovod haTorah for the Sar HaTorah!

    #1731122

    RG: please dont confuse the american Yated with the one in EY.

    #1731136

    Nevelle – “Most Americans never switched from Hamodia to Yated in the first place”

    Maybe not “most Americans” in YOUR community, but in mine, nearly everyone switched as soon as Harav Shach z”l established Yated! (The only handful that did not switch right away is because they couldn’t till their subscription ran out). In my community, we call it supporting our Gedolim not just with fluffy words (and later wimping out) but with concrete action.

    #1731138

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Wow, RGP’s really hating on those who don’t have a subscription to cancel.

    #1731180

    Neville ChaimBerlin
    Participant

    “Wow, RGP’s really hating on those who don’t have a subscription to cancel.”
    Good thing there’s almost nobody that falls into that category.

    #1731170

    Once again the US Yated is different than The Yated in EY (despite the same name). Besides is Hadegel even available in the USA?

    #1731179

    Yserbius123
    Participant

    This sounds like real sensationalizing. I’ve said in another thread, the only things Rav Chaim can say that will have an impact on my life would be if he personally wrote it and had it published. Everything else is just his legion of fans getting access and asking loaded questions that they know what his answer will be.

    What does it mean that he “left” the Yated and the new paper is under his “auspices”? He is a pure tzaddik who cares about nothing that doesn’t involve the Torah. Politics is basically meaningless to him so his alleged political positions should be meaningless to everyone else.

    #1731213

    Talmidchochom
    Participant

    Assur b’hechlet likros b’itonim.

    #1731276

    Joseph
    Participant

    Why do they share names unless there’s a shaychus between the American and Israeli Yateds?

    #1731283

    smerel
    Participant

    Why do they share names unless there’s a shaychus between the American and Israeli Yateds?

    Thirty years ago when the American Yated first started it was affiliated with the Isreali Yated

    They have long since parted ways

    #1731281

    smerel
    Participant

    Seems like a trial balloon at making a new newspaper and not an actual decision

    I googled this and couldn’t find it on any other site.

    Nothing written in Hebrew posted here has anything coming from Rav Chaim Kanievsky. In fact the only indirect reference to him mentions “BAIS H’Rav Kanivsky” which implies that it is his gatekeepers and not him personally looking to make a new paper.

    Rav Chaim Kanievsky is certainly NOT known to have such an involvement in politics that he would want to start and be on top of a newspaper. If anything it would be people looking to start a newspaper trying to claim his support

    #1731273

    Joseph
    Participant

    Why is the American businessman owner of the Israeli Yated defying Maran HaGaon HaRav Chaim Kanievsky shlit”a, causing Rav Chaim tzar and the necessity to start a new paper?

    #1731346

    midwesterner
    Participant

    When will this lehach’isdik troll who constantly subtly, and sometimes not so subtly twists divrei chachamim to be mal’ig on them be banned? And I’m actually not referring to Joseph!

    #1731840

    5ish
    Participant

    Also, please, remember to stop shaving your beards.

    #1731843

    Neville ChaimBerlin
    Participant

    “I googled this and couldn’t find it on any other site.”
    Same. Either YWN did some really good journalism and got this story before everyone else, or they got tricked into publishing a non-story.

    #1731849

    Yserbius123
    Participant

    <quote>Why do they share names unless there’s a shaychus between the American and Israeli Yateds?</quote>

    Vizhnitz Monsey, Vizhnitz Bnei Brak, Vizhnitz Monsey d’Bnei Brak, Vizhnitz Bnei Brak Yerushalayim, Vizhnitz Monsey Montreal….

    #1731851

    Yserbius123
    Participant

    <quote>I am discovering many people that are “frum-b’di’eved” -thay keep all b’di’eved muttar halachos, and many others are “frum-light” – a watered down frum-lifestyle, like the foods that are “kosher-style”. </quote>

    That’s been going on for as long as Sinai. I like to refer to them as “Orthodox but not frum”.

    #1731879

    Neville – “I googled this and couldn’t find it on any other site.”
    Same. Either YWN did some really good journalism and got this story before everyone else, or they got tricked into publishing a non-story

    A whole new level of trolling! Create the news and then troll about it!

    #1731906

    Joseph
    Participant

    “Vizhnitz Monsey, Vizhnitz Bnei Brak, Vizhnitz Monsey d’Bnei Brak, Vizhnitz Bnei Brak Yerushalayim, Vizhnitz Monsey Montreal….”

    They’re all affiliated. Just like the various Ner Yisroel branches.

    #1731907

    Joseph and papa bar aba, I hope you are taking notes.

    #1731908

    “What was the machlokes actually about? The home page article is clearly intentionally vague.”

    It’s the Rebbitzen’s style.

    #1731950

    Uncle Ben
    Participant

    Wow, RGP & Neville both agree on something! But you’re both wrong. Nobody switched from Hamodia to the Yated in America, since in the US, Hamodia began publishing ten years or so AFTER the Yated!

    #1731952

    “What was the machlokes actually about? The home page article is clearly intentionally vague.” Something about women doing ad dlo yada on Purim, wondering from where they got that crazy idea?

    #1731987

    Neville ChaimBerlin
    Participant

    “Wow, RGP & Neville both agree on something!”
    What did we agree on? I said people kept using Hamodia, he said people switched.

    However, it appears you are correct; Yated did reach America first. I don’t tend to come across anyone who actually reads the Yated. Could this be another one of those arbitrary splits between Balhabatish and Yeshivish preference?

    #1732144

    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @joseph Vizhnitz Monsey and Vizhnitz Bnei Brak are not officially affiliated and never were. Several other branches, like Seret Vizhnitz, are similarly unaffiliated to either. It’s similar with Satmar Williamsburg and Satmar Kiryas Yoel.

    There are no affiliations between Ner Yisroel Toronto, (the former) Ner Yisroel LA, and Ner Yisroel Baltimore either.

    #1732232

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Results of preliminary lab tests show that BOTH will work equally well for wrapping fish….tests were performed on pre-issuance “test” copies of the new Hadegel publication so final results will depend on whether they work with the same paper supplier. On a serious note, its not clear that the Rav has formally promoted the new publication and until that is clarified, and the editorial position is confirmed, no reason anyone will switch over.

    #1732235

    Talmidchochom
    Participant

    Is one permitted to take these newspapers into a beis medrash or beis haknesses?

    #1732361

    Neville ChaimBerlin
    Participant

    “It’s similar with Satmar Williamsburg and Satmar Kiryas Yoel.”

    Which also have a shaychus. They may be separate, but they share a mesorah.

    #1732499

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Multiple chassidus sharing a mesorah doesn’t always translate into their taking the same position on political and public policy issues as we have seen over and over again in EY

    #1732528

    frum-bdieved
    Participant

    I am a newbie poster but long time reader silently following the conversations. I noticed that Rebbitzen Golden P is now blocked. Her demise from the CR on Lag Baomar comes as a shock to me.

    I will miss her.

    She was entertaining, extremism, satirical, challenging, though provoking, educational, spicy, provocative, even insulting, with a combination of urgency and ridiculous positions, yet with all that, her threads drew reaction and commentary.

    The CR will now return to topics flavored vanilla, decaffeinated and calm, welcoming the boredom of humdrum normalcy. May her screen-name be zochur latov.

    #1732640

    Neville ChaimBerlin
    Participant

    “Multiple chassidus sharing a mesorah doesn’t always translate into their taking the same position on political and public policy issues as we have seen over and over again in EY”
    Who said it does? When did having a shaychus start meaning two things had to be 100% identical in every regard?

    “The CR will now return to topics flavored vanilla, decaffeinated and calm, welcoming the boredom of humdrum normalcy.”
    This is actually probably true. In a selfish way, I’m actually happy about it. The RGP drama got me way too addicted to the CR.

    #1732700

    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @NevilleChaimBerlin So they share a mesora (sort of)! So what? My point was that Yated Israel and Yated US are different unaffiliated publications just like Vizhnitz Monsey and Vizhnitz Bnei Brak are different unaffiliated organizations.

    #1732808

    Neville ChaimBerlin
    Participant

    “My point was that Yated Israel and Yated US are different unaffiliated publications just like Vizhnitz Monsey and Vizhnitz Bnei Brak are different unaffiliated organizations.”

    I’m not exactly an insider, but from what I understand that’s not entirely true. I was told that are upwards of 10 Vishnitz “Rebbes” now between US and Israel that just serve different communities. It’s not a machlokes-driven split. I could be wrong.

    #1732888

    Joseph
    Participant

    Perhaps Lehovin can be the official English-language/American edition of the HaDegel.

    #1732914

    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @neville-chaimberlin The Monsey-Bnei Brak split was a famous and terrible machlokes over 30 years ago, similar to Satmar Williamsburg and Satmar Kiryas Yoel today. They’ve since made shalom, but they are as separate as Ger and Belz.

    #1738017

    smerel
    Participant

    And here we are a few days before Shavous and of course, the paper did not actually come out…

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