May 22, 2019 9:22 am at 9:22 am #1730819
Hagaon HaRav Chaim Kanievsky Shlita removed his association from Yated Neeman. The new publication Hadegel will be under his auspices. Is everyone cancelling their subscription to Yated Neeman as a demonstration of support to Harav Chaim Shlita?May 22, 2019 9:50 am at 9:50 am #1731054
Most Americans never switched from Hamodia to Yated in the first place, so I doubt it.
What was the machlokes actually about? The home page article is clearly intentionally vague.May 22, 2019 9:52 am at 9:52 am #1731064
Anyone that does not immediately cancel his/her subscription, lacks kovod haTorah for the Sar HaTorah!May 22, 2019 12:14 pm at 12:14 pm #1731122lowerourtuition11210Participant
RG: please dont confuse the american Yated with the one in EY.May 22, 2019 12:14 pm at 12:14 pm #1731136
Nevelle – “Most Americans never switched from Hamodia to Yated in the first place”
Maybe not “most Americans” in YOUR community, but in mine, nearly everyone switched as soon as Harav Shach z”l established Yated! (The only handful that did not switch right away is because they couldn’t till their subscription ran out). In my community, we call it supporting our Gedolim not just with fluffy words (and later wimping out) but with concrete action.May 22, 2019 12:14 pm at 12:14 pm #1731138👑RebYidd23Participant
Wow, RGP’s really hating on those who don’t have a subscription to cancel.May 22, 2019 12:50 pm at 12:50 pm #1731180
“Wow, RGP’s really hating on those who don’t have a subscription to cancel.”
Good thing there’s almost nobody that falls into that category.May 22, 2019 12:50 pm at 12:50 pm #1731170lowerourtuition11210Participant
Once again the US Yated is different than The Yated in EY (despite the same name). Besides is Hadegel even available in the USA?May 22, 2019 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm #1731179
This sounds like real sensationalizing. I’ve said in another thread, the only things Rav Chaim can say that will have an impact on my life would be if he personally wrote it and had it published. Everything else is just his legion of fans getting access and asking loaded questions that they know what his answer will be.
What does it mean that he “left” the Yated and the new paper is under his “auspices”? He is a pure tzaddik who cares about nothing that doesn’t involve the Torah. Politics is basically meaningless to him so his alleged political positions should be meaningless to everyone else.May 22, 2019 1:25 pm at 1:25 pm #1731213TalmidchochomParticipant
Assur b’hechlet likros b’itonim.May 22, 2019 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm #1731276
Why do they share names unless there’s a shaychus between the American and Israeli Yateds?May 22, 2019 3:09 pm at 3:09 pm #1731283
Why do they share names unless there’s a shaychus between the American and Israeli Yateds?
Thirty years ago when the American Yated first started it was affiliated with the Isreali Yated
They have long since parted waysMay 22, 2019 3:10 pm at 3:10 pm #1731281
Seems like a trial balloon at making a new newspaper and not an actual decision
I googled this and couldn’t find it on any other site.
Nothing written in Hebrew posted here has anything coming from Rav Chaim Kanievsky. In fact the only indirect reference to him mentions “BAIS H’Rav Kanivsky” which implies that it is his gatekeepers and not him personally looking to make a new paper.
Rav Chaim Kanievsky is certainly NOT known to have such an involvement in politics that he would want to start and be on top of a newspaper. If anything it would be people looking to start a newspaper trying to claim his supportMay 22, 2019 3:10 pm at 3:10 pm #1731273
Why is the American businessman owner of the Israeli Yated defying Maran HaGaon HaRav Chaim Kanievsky shlit”a, causing Rav Chaim tzar and the necessity to start a new paper?May 22, 2019 4:28 pm at 4:28 pm #1731346midwesternerParticipant
When will this lehach’isdik troll who constantly subtly, and sometimes not so subtly twists divrei chachamim to be mal’ig on them be banned? And I’m actually not referring to Joseph!May 22, 2019 5:36 pm at 5:36 pm #17318405ishParticipant
Also, please, remember to stop shaving your beards.May 22, 2019 5:37 pm at 5:37 pm #1731843
“I googled this and couldn’t find it on any other site.”
Same. Either YWN did some really good journalism and got this story before everyone else, or they got tricked into publishing a non-story.May 22, 2019 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm #1731849
<quote>Why do they share names unless there’s a shaychus between the American and Israeli Yateds?</quote>
Vizhnitz Monsey, Vizhnitz Bnei Brak, Vizhnitz Monsey d’Bnei Brak, Vizhnitz Bnei Brak Yerushalayim, Vizhnitz Monsey Montreal….May 22, 2019 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm #1731851
<quote>I am discovering many people that are “frum-b’di’eved” -thay keep all b’di’eved muttar halachos, and many others are “frum-light” – a watered down frum-lifestyle, like the foods that are “kosher-style”. </quote>
That’s been going on for as long as Sinai. I like to refer to them as “Orthodox but not frum”.May 22, 2019 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm #1731879
Neville – “I googled this and couldn’t find it on any other site.”
Same. Either YWN did some really good journalism and got this story before everyone else, or they got tricked into publishing a non-story
A whole new level of trolling! Create the news and then troll about it!May 22, 2019 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #1731906
“Vizhnitz Monsey, Vizhnitz Bnei Brak, Vizhnitz Monsey d’Bnei Brak, Vizhnitz Bnei Brak Yerushalayim, Vizhnitz Monsey Montreal….”
They’re all affiliated. Just like the various Ner Yisroel branches.May 22, 2019 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #1731907
Joseph and papa bar aba, I hope you are taking notes.May 22, 2019 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #1731908
“What was the machlokes actually about? The home page article is clearly intentionally vague.”
It’s the Rebbitzen’s style.May 22, 2019 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #1731950Uncle BenParticipant
Wow, RGP & Neville both agree on something! But you’re both wrong. Nobody switched from Hamodia to the Yated in America, since in the US, Hamodia began publishing ten years or so AFTER the Yated!May 22, 2019 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #1731952
“What was the machlokes actually about? The home page article is clearly intentionally vague.” Something about women doing ad dlo yada on Purim, wondering from where they got that crazy idea?May 22, 2019 8:54 pm at 8:54 pm #1731987
“Wow, RGP & Neville both agree on something!”
What did we agree on? I said people kept using Hamodia, he said people switched.
However, it appears you are correct; Yated did reach America first. I don’t tend to come across anyone who actually reads the Yated. Could this be another one of those arbitrary splits between Balhabatish and Yeshivish preference?May 23, 2019 9:40 am at 9:40 am #1732144
@Joseph Vizhnitz Monsey and Vizhnitz Bnei Brak are not officially affiliated and never were. Several other branches, like Seret Vizhnitz, are similarly unaffiliated to either. It’s similar with Satmar Williamsburg and Satmar Kiryas Yoel.
There are no affiliations between Ner Yisroel Toronto, (the former) Ner Yisroel LA, and Ner Yisroel Baltimore either.May 23, 2019 10:07 am at 10:07 am #1732232GadolhadorahParticipant
Results of preliminary lab tests show that BOTH will work equally well for wrapping fish….tests were performed on pre-issuance “test” copies of the new Hadegel publication so final results will depend on whether they work with the same paper supplier. On a serious note, its not clear that the Rav has formally promoted the new publication and until that is clarified, and the editorial position is confirmed, no reason anyone will switch over.May 23, 2019 10:17 am at 10:17 am #1732235TalmidchochomParticipant
Is one permitted to take these newspapers into a beis medrash or beis haknesses?May 23, 2019 4:19 pm at 4:19 pm #1732361
“It’s similar with Satmar Williamsburg and Satmar Kiryas Yoel.”
Which also have a shaychus. They may be separate, but they share a mesorah.May 23, 2019 6:07 pm at 6:07 pm #1732499GadolhadorahParticipant
Multiple chassidus sharing a mesorah doesn’t always translate into their taking the same position on political and public policy issues as we have seen over and over again in EYMay 23, 2019 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #1732528frum-bdievedParticipant
I am a newbie poster but long time reader silently following the conversations. I noticed that Rebbitzen Golden P is now blocked. Her demise from the CR on Lag Baomar comes as a shock to me.
I will miss her.
She was entertaining, extremism, satirical, challenging, though provoking, educational, spicy, provocative, even insulting, with a combination of urgency and ridiculous positions, yet with all that, her threads drew reaction and commentary.
The CR will now return to topics flavored vanilla, decaffeinated and calm, welcoming the boredom of humdrum normalcy. May her screen-name be zochur latov.May 24, 2019 10:03 am at 10:03 am #1732640
“Multiple chassidus sharing a mesorah doesn’t always translate into their taking the same position on political and public policy issues as we have seen over and over again in EY”
Who said it does? When did having a shaychus start meaning two things had to be 100% identical in every regard?
“The CR will now return to topics flavored vanilla, decaffeinated and calm, welcoming the boredom of humdrum normalcy.”
This is actually probably true. In a selfish way, I’m actually happy about it. The RGP drama got me way too addicted to the CR.May 24, 2019 12:15 pm at 12:15 pm #1732700
@NevilleChaimBerlin So they share a mesora (sort of)! So what? My point was that Yated Israel and Yated US are different unaffiliated publications just like Vizhnitz Monsey and Vizhnitz Bnei Brak are different unaffiliated organizations.May 24, 2019 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #1732808
“My point was that Yated Israel and Yated US are different unaffiliated publications just like Vizhnitz Monsey and Vizhnitz Bnei Brak are different unaffiliated organizations.”
I’m not exactly an insider, but from what I understand that’s not entirely true. I was told that are upwards of 10 Vishnitz “Rebbes” now between US and Israel that just serve different communities. It’s not a machlokes-driven split. I could be wrong.May 25, 2019 11:23 pm at 11:23 pm #1732888
Perhaps Lehovin can be the official English-language/American edition of the HaDegel.May 26, 2019 7:57 am at 7:57 am #1732914
@neville-chaimberlin The Monsey-Bnei Brak split was a famous and terrible machlokes over 30 years ago, similar to Satmar Williamsburg and Satmar Kiryas Yoel today. They’ve since made shalom, but they are as separate as Ger and Belz.June 4, 2019 4:51 pm at 4:51 pm #1738017
And here we are a few days before Shavous and of course, the paper did not actually come out…
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