July 6, 2018 8:39 am at 8:39 am #1553508FreddyfishParticipant
Any practical ideas??July 6, 2018 9:21 am at 9:21 am #1553523flatbushaskanParticipant
Leave it to the experts!!July 6, 2018 9:21 am at 9:21 am #1553525
Hey, I’m sure we CRers can come up with something that the world expert cave explorers, Navy SEALS and mountain climbers who frequent the area have not thought of.
My kids suggested sending in a submarine. I’m sure none of the rescuers have considered that one.July 6, 2018 10:11 am at 10:11 am #1553538
Have divers string together large plastic pipes. Once assembled pump out any water. Attach rope double the length of the pipe. Half on outside and half on inside. Attach to wheeled sled. Wearing protective gear, winch the sled slowly from outside. Use extra rope on cave side to pull the sled back for the next kid. Repeat.July 6, 2018 11:24 am at 11:24 am #1553555
kollelman -“Have divers string together large plastic pipes. Once assembled pump out any water”
They are trying to pump out water – it’s Not working!July 6, 2018 11:24 am at 11:24 am #1553546adocsParticipant
TransporterJuly 6, 2018 11:44 am at 11:44 am #1553563MenoParticipant
Have divers string together large plastic pipes…
Why not just have them all walk/crawl out through the tube?July 6, 2018 11:45 am at 11:45 am #1553579
FF – “Any practical ideas??”
I went online to see the options that were suggested. I really don’t have experience with cave rescue. One the probs is too much water. But they are still going to try the entrance route.
This is my solution: The news there claims that to drill from the top is 1km down.
If you look at the diagram, the mountain slopes down – they should try to drill down at that point & then if possible & needed to drill over to the trapped area!
Basically – it’s a race against time – before the Monsoon Season!July 6, 2018 11:45 am at 11:45 am #1553586Midwest2Participant
Check out the BBC website – they’re keeping up to date. They’ve got all the experts in. Right now they’re hoping that pumping will work, but they’re teaching the boys how to use scuba equipment just in case it rains so much they can’t get them out by pumping. The boys are members of a soccer team, so they’re basically in condition and united as a group with their coach leading.
One of the miners who was trapped for months in Chile a few years ago has recorded a video to show them about keeping strong because they’ll eventually make it out.
We can also daven for them, and for the people planning the rescue to be successful.July 6, 2018 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm #1553599anonymous JewParticipant
It took trained divers 6 hours to reach them, and 2 of the boys are too weak from malnutrition to use the scuba equipment. Another trained diver just died in an attempt to reach them. So, those of you making jokes ( transporter , submarine ) should be ashamed.July 6, 2018 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm #1553600
The goal of the pipes is to create a tunnel. I meant to pump out water from the pipes after they are assembled, so that humans can go through without drowning. I’m not sure they can walk or crawl out, hence the wheeled sled.July 6, 2018 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm #1553607FreddyfishParticipant
Does elon musk have any practical ideas i heard he sent some people down there?!?July 6, 2018 2:08 pm at 2:08 pm #1553624
KM -“The goal of the pipes is to create a tunnel”
It’s Not possible! The way to the entrance is Not straight.July 6, 2018 2:08 pm at 2:08 pm #1553627
FF -“Does elon musk have any practical ideas”
This isn’t Rocket Science! This is just plain old Cave Rescue.
I have training in Rescue & I think my idea is the Most practical!July 6, 2018 2:08 pm at 2:08 pm #1553638NOYBParticipant
One of their SEALs just died, so I don’t know how swimming out would work in the state the kids are in. Pipes would take too long, by the time they are assembled the monsoon season will be over. Im sure if there is a way, Elon Musk, The Navy SEALs, and the Israelis will figure it out.July 6, 2018 2:17 pm at 2:17 pm #1553648
Elon sent ground-penetrating radar to see if they can locate a short route through the caveJuly 6, 2018 3:35 pm at 3:35 pm #1553670
open the drainJuly 6, 2018 4:46 pm at 4:46 pm #1553677DovidBTParticipant
Why is everyone in a hurry to get them out of the cave? Let them stay there until the rainy season is over and the waters have receded. Problem solved.July 6, 2018 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #1553678Git MeshigeParticipant
They should get a wrecking ball and smash the perimeter of the cave till it caves in ( no pun intended )July 6, 2018 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #1553679Git MeshigeParticipant
Or drain the swampJuly 6, 2018 7:43 pm at 7:43 pm #1553738🐵 ⌨ GamanitParticipant
Elon sent ground-penetrating radar to see if they can locate a short route through the cave
Maybe they can dig a tunnel down to the cave from the ground.July 6, 2018 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #1553741🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
I am floored that someone can make a joke out of this situation and that the mods can actually approve it. Is there anything funny about 12 kids stuck in a cave for months where a rescue diver has already died working on the rescue? Asking anyone if they have ideas is moronic, and people thinking they actually have ideas that the team of 1000 experts may have overlooked is crazy.
This thread is offensive and should never have been approved,July 8, 2018 1:01 am at 1:01 am #1553805beeeParticipant
this is so crazy! there must be a way to get them out!! waiting around might get them out physically by emotionally and physiologically, im not sure how long they could last in there!!
sorry you are offended! I think it just shows every ones concern for these boys, trying to think of a way to get them out…July 8, 2018 1:04 am at 1:04 am #1553807Takes2-2tangoParticipant
תשובה תפילה וצדקה. How Else?July 8, 2018 1:07 am at 1:07 am #1553809JosephParticipant
The rescue operation will begin this morning.July 8, 2018 2:01 am at 2:01 am #1553814
so what’s the operation???July 8, 2018 8:49 am at 8:49 am #1553836zahavasdadParticipant
They cannot wait until the water receedes because it will take 4 months and they cannot get enough food or water or oxygen in there for 8 months (It all has to be carried by diver for 6 hours)July 8, 2018 8:49 am at 8:49 am #1553837klugeryidParticipant
bring in some of the giant sealable hard shell balls
Put a kid in It with an oxygen tank
Pull him out with attached rope
RepeatJuly 8, 2018 10:05 am at 10:05 am #1553877The Other PersonParticipant
At least four of a group of boys trapped inside a cave in northern Thailand for two weeks have been been brought out, say the Thai Navy Seals.
Rescuers decided to go ahead with the hazardous operation on Sunday because of fears of rising waters.
Divers are guiding the 12 boys and their coach through darkness and submerged passageways towards the mouth of the Tham Luang cave system.July 8, 2018 11:14 am at 11:14 am #1553931NOYBParticipant
6 out nowJuly 8, 2018 12:44 pm at 12:44 pm #1553943
I read that 4 are out, but they have stopped operations for the night. Meanwhile, rescuers are resting and re-evaluating the safety of the plan as it continues. After pumping enough water out to allow for them to wade thru certain areas, it is heavily raining again, which works against them. They said it could take another 2-4 days to get everyone out, depending on the weather conditions.
I was wondering why staying put (dangerous because they could run out of oxygen, or cave could flood more) and swimming them out (dangerous for inexperienced divers/swimmers) were the only possibilities put forth by the experts (those on scene, not those here on the CR). I finally found something about why the drilling option, which has been used in mine rescues, would not have worked- they are kilometers underground, and it is very hard to figure out from above ground where they are and where to drill. Even if they did know, they would need heavy machinery, trucks for the operation. But to bring in trucks they need infrastructure, like roads to handle the trucks. That would take months to build, apparently.July 8, 2018 12:44 pm at 12:44 pm #1553951MenoParticipant
There are portions of the cave which are filled with water and are too narrow for a diver to get through with an oxygen tankJuly 8, 2018 1:18 pm at 1:18 pm #1553965
TOP -“Rescuers decided to go ahead with the hazardous operation on Sunday because of fears of rising waters.”
They are trying to get them out through the front. So far 4-6 have been rescued.
“If rescuers know where the boys are, can’t a drill be used to open a hole from above and hoist the boys out?
The spot where the boys and their coach are is about a half-mile down, through mostly solid rock. The mountain terrain above the cave is heavy jungle, with few access roads.
Forrest Wilson, the chief diving officer for the National Cave Rescue Commission and who has 50 years of cave diving experience, including several rescues, said drilling into the cave from above is not impossible. But the maps of the cave are not accurate enough to get a good fix on exactly where to drill.
“It will take a long time to drill through a half a kilometer of cave,” Wilson said. “I don’t think there’s time”
IMHO, They should have started to go this way! Anyways, even though they didn’t, they should have started to do it as a back up plan. Right now, the way out through the entrance is optimal, but if conditions change – they need a back-up plan!July 9, 2018 7:13 am at 7:13 am #1554087
Yes Health, they need a back-up plan, it remains to be seen if they can get the remaining 9 out the same way.
But by the time they clear the jungle and blast out the rocks to make the roads that can bring in the trucks and borers and whatever else they need, and then dig down for half a kilometer, it could be months- by then they may just be able to walk out, as the rains would have ended, assuming that they have not gotten flooded out of their safe zone or run out of oxygen by then. The point is that they need a back-up plan that can be implemented now, because their chances get slimmer as time passes.July 9, 2018 7:14 am at 7:14 am #1554088
I think Elon Musk must be on the CR. He actually has proposed 2 of the ideas mentioned here.
He suggested inflatable tubing (regular tubes as Kollelman suggested would not work as the tunnel curves and dips and narrows) to be used as a tunnel. That idea does not seem to have gone anywhere.
Now he is sending a mini kid-size submarine to help get the kids thru the submerged areas. The Thai officials think it could work, so he was testing it in California and then sending it on a 17h flight to Thailand.
Originally, I sarcastically shared what I thought was my kids’ ridiculous idea of using a submarine as an example of why we should leave the rescue plans to the experts on the scene. Irony is on me, apparently.July 10, 2018 1:22 am at 1:22 am #1554640
WtP -“But by the time they clear the jungle and blast out the rocks to make the roads that can bring in the trucks and borers and whatever else they need, and then dig down for half a kilometer, it could be months”
They could have already started digging. You don’t need a road for trucks unless you’re building something! They could have cleared a small area on top of the boys & started digging. They could have brought in the digging equipment with heavy-duty choppers!July 10, 2018 1:47 am at 1:47 am #1554649
Health- if they could have, they would have, don’t you think?
In any case, the third phase of the rescue is already underway to get out the last 4 boys, the coach, and the divers/doctor who have been staying with them.July 10, 2018 8:24 am at 8:24 am #1554667
Grada, rumor has it that theydug a hole, but didn’t quite reach the cave yet…July 10, 2018 9:22 am at 9:22 am #1554691flatbushaskanParticipant
They’re all out!!July 10, 2018 1:57 pm at 1:57 pm #1554888
WtP -“Health- if they could have, they would have, don’t you think?”
NO, I don’t! Look this was a very dangerous mission. Every person involved in rescue has to make decisions. I would have done it differently. There is no right way or wrong way. There was one loss of life.
I am involved in medicine part time & I can’t begin to tell you how many simple mistakes I’ve seen over the years, sometimes resulting in the loss of life!July 10, 2018 1:58 pm at 1:58 pm #1554970hujuParticipant
So this topic is first posted on July 6, and by July 10, the boys and coach are saved. Coincidence? I don’t think so.July 10, 2018 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #1555657🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
huju – not sure what you mean
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