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  • #1989612
    Maivin
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    Hi,
    Does anyone know anything about SOUTH AFRICA??

    #1989639
    Rebeli
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    It has quite a large Jewish community

    #1989648
    Reb Eliezer
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    Tell me what you want to know as I have an acquaintance whose son in law comes from there.

    #1989657
    commonsaychel
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    Kruger National park is amazing

    #1989676
    Maivin
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    @RebEliezer just in general, what are the Yeshivos like? Schools? are there any seminary? Who is the main Rov there? Shuls?

    #1989805
    Gadolhadorah
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    We traveled there back in 2015 including visits to Capetown and Johannesburg and the obligatory “safari” in neighboring Botswana. We found the Chabad shaalichim in both cities to be incredibly helpful and knowledgable so I would suggest contacting them if you plan on traveling anytime soon (although they are still in semi-lockdown mode because of Covid). Also, the security situation has gotten a bit more risky since we were there.

    #1989848
    Maivin
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    what level of ruchniyos are the schools in johhanesberg?
    Who is the main or one of the main Rov there?

    #1989899
    ujm
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    Downhill since the ANC took over.

    #1990067
    sifsei chachamim
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    They don’t have a normal electrical grid, there’s constant load shedding. Be prepared to live without electricity.

    #1990068
    AhvasChinom
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    Kashrus is very organized. People actually agree on one hashgacha (We could learn something from that). Many products are supervised, and unlike some countries, they print the hechsher on the labels, so it is not difficult to find food, even outside major cities, and you don’t have to carry a list. The chief rabbi has achieved much in kiruv.

    #1990076
    AhvasChinom
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    PS Mismanagement is having a serious effect on the country in many ways. Beware of loadshedding (rolling blackouts) – very often and sometimes without warning.

    #1990084
    huju
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    Substantial numbers of Jews left South Africa in the early to middle 1960’s. The ones I know said they left because they had no heart for apartheid. I know nothing about the Jewish community that is there today.

    #1990136
    YoniS
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    Quite a lot as I live there 🙂

    But more to it than can we covered in a post…

    #1990150
    Maivin
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    No-one has answered this Q
    Who is the main Rov there?
    What are the levels of ruchniyos are the schools on?

    #1990190
    ujm
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    Post-apartheid the country has gone steeply downhill.

    #1990192
    Gadolhadorah
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    Maivin. I suspect Yoni S can provide more current information, especially on what you refer to as “ruchniyos” in the schools. However, as to what you refer to as the “main rov”, there is “Chief Rabbi” selected by most of the “orthodox” mosdos in SA. The current Chief Rabbi is the first to hold the position who was born and educated in SA as was appointed in his early 30s. He also holds a PhD in law and is politically progressive and very much involved in social equity efforts across SA society. He is more in the mold of the Chief Rabbi of the UK than the traditional model of a “main rov” your question implies.

    #1990269
    YoniS
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    @Maivin, can I assume you mean Johannesburg? And can I assume you are interested in Litvish Haredi schools/community as opposed to Chadad/Modox/Mizrachi/Sefardi?

    #1990296
    Maivin
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    Thank you ofr your intresting answer GadolHador!

    @Yonis WOW!! Whats it like? What schools are there? Shuls? are there Yeshivos? and who besides the Cheif Rabbi is a great Rov that is trusted by all?

    #1990412
    Maivin
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    @yonis Yes. I mean Johannesberg and i mean Litvish

    #1990559
    CTLAWYER
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    I lived and worked there in the late 70s (based in Yeoville neighborhood of JoBurg). It had a vibrant Litvish community with Kollel then.
    The country fell apart after the ANC took power and whites fled in droves.

    I have been back a number of times, last in 2019, not much to attract young families. Those who can find suitable economic situations abroad, leave. Not just Jews, but whites in general.

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