October 22, 2021 1:28 pm at 1:28 pm #2019794
These things matter to us. When National and International Socialists were rising in Germany, I am sure there were some Jews who said “this does not matter to us” but it did eventually …October 22, 2021 1:57 pm at 1:57 pm #2019802
I think most public schools (at least outside south) teach a lot about race. I think the ranting about “CRT” reflects a more general phenomenon – schools not teaching about US history and government properly, but only complaining about what they want extra.
We, Jews, are doing the same, paying attention to what we did not get. There is less excuse for us, given that we know a lot of history and can appreciate the difference. There is a school of thought that it is better for Jews to live among bad goyim to prevent assimilation, but, based on recent history, I am not sure whether we can calibrate antisemitism high enough to keep us in line, but low enough to keep us alive. A better theory (Rav Shach, for example) is that we need antisemitism only when Jews assimilate.October 22, 2021 1:58 pm at 1:58 pm #2019800
Ubiquitin, sorry I missed the part in your comment about teaching blacks about their own racism. I’m SURE they will make classes addressing black racism towards Jews and whites. They will also make blacks feel like they have evil tendencies of racism because of their skin color, classify them, make them feel guilty for their ancestors selling of their own people to slave master, make them feel guilty for the slave trade they were a part of…sure that will happen.
You have a very naive perception of what CRT is about.
How is there systemic racism?
Do people not vote for black politicians?
Can blacks not get into college and universities due to their skin color?
Are they denied jobs due to their skin color?
If you answer yes to any of these questions above then you are living in an alternative universe.October 22, 2021 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm #2019822ubiquitinParticipant
“How is there systemic racism?”
As a result of decades, and decades of institutionalized racism, there are many disparities that persist today. Look up the history of redlining that directly contributed to the housing disparity that exists today (This is but one classic example)
“Do people not vote for black politicians?”
IS this a real question? OF course people don’t. I assume there’s a typo here. Though this isnt example of systemic racism, since this is due to individual racists not a system
“Can blacks not get into college and universities due to their skin color?”
Not skin color per se, but yes they have a harder time getting into colleges due to decades of systemic discrimination that prevented their parents from going to college, prevented their parents from getting higher paying jobs to afford college
“Are they denied jobs due to their skin color?”
Yes. OF course. Though again this is probably not systemic rather due to individual racist employers.
Your questions indicate you don’t understand what systemic racism is.
Hopefully your kids will get a good CRT course intheir school, and you can learn about it with them
“If you answer yes to any of these questions above then you are living in an alternative universe.”
Halevai! one day. For now I’m in the same universe as youOctober 22, 2021 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm #2019818
…I meant making the blacks feel sorry for their own ancestors selling their own people to slave traders…
I wish there would be an edit button to be able to edit mistakes…October 22, 2021 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm #2019820
Ubiq -“We need MORE CRT not less!”
I’m not going to argue, like Phil, that there is No systemic Racism against Blacks or anybody else.
Anybody who thinks that CRT is about Discrimination is Lacking in Intelligence.
Including all the DemonCrats that are all for it.
We have laws against Discrimination – they are called Civil Rights Laws.
I posted the definition on page 1.
You obviously didn’t understand it.
CRT is saying that White people have in their Original Make-up that they are Superior than Non-Whites.
This is obviously a LIE.
So if you promote the CRT LIE, you can’t be taken seriously.
If the Gov. forces this on people, this is starting a Civil War against our Laws.
Because the CRT is saying our laws are Not based on Justice, but on Race!October 24, 2021 12:03 am at 12:03 am #2019962
Donald Trump appointed Jerome Powell as chairman of the federal reserve. Powell’s easy money policy of holding interest rates at about zero and buying treasury bonds has increased liquidity in the market and is definitely a factor in rising inflation. Trump very publicly pressured Powell to keep rates low. This does not mean that Powell’s policies are wrong as the alternative may have been worse but it is yet another example of how putting all the blame on Biden for inflation is wrong and untrue.
Trump released thousands of Taliban prisoners and Pompeo posed proudly with Taliban leaders. There is no way that these actions did not contribute to the Taliban takeover and American deaths. Trump even publicly boasted of boxing Biden in on the Afghanistan withdrawal. Biden deserves blame for continuing Trump’s misguided policies but there is more than enough blame to go around.
Supply shortages are a global issue. There are shortages in England, France, and parts of Asia. This is a complex global issue. Renault stopped production in France due to a lack of semi-conductors. Just as a COVID outbreak is not Trump’s fault a global parts shortage cannot be placed solely on Biden’s shoulders.
The black community may have high instances of anti-semitism but any honest person will admit that the attitudes that are prevalent by many in our community towards their community are equally reprehensible. Our schools and talmidim would benefit from teaching and learning subjects that focus on the experience of minorities in America instead of reflexively dismissing every racial issue.October 24, 2021 12:04 am at 12:04 am #2019965
Excuse me, if there’s systemic racism it’s against whites. Black businesses are promoted, not white, black history is promoted, not white, black artists are promoted, not white, blacks are admittied to university and college based on their skin color, not whites, I can go on.
The racism I have felt as a Jew was from blacks, not whites. So stop it with the systematic racism against blacks. It’s ridiculousl.
My comments are not meant to disparage blacks, I have had good encounters with black people as well.
All I’m saying is that racism exists within the black communities just as much as in the white communities. Blacks have just as many opportunities today , and oftentimes more, than whites. They are only victims of their own disfunction within their families of missing fathers and out of wedlock children.
There are many, many blacks who say what I’m saying; BLACKS TODAY ARE NOT VICTIMS AND STOP MAKING THEM INTO VICTIMS!October 24, 2021 8:36 am at 8:36 am #2020005
CK -“Trump released thousands of Taliban prisoners and Pompeo posed proudly with Taliban leaders. There is no way that these actions did not contribute to the Taliban takeover and American deaths.”
As a Lib who has TDS, you can’t possibly understand Trump’s Poilcy.
He did all that to make peace with the Taliban.
They returned the favor by not attacking the US Troops.
All Biden did, he didn’t engage them & try to understand them, just ran out like a Chicken without his head.
So Biden, only Biden is responsible the absurd way they ran out of Afghanistan!October 24, 2021 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm #2020125
Health – Thanki you for proving the point that some Trump supporters have a problem facing reality and resort to name-calling and labeling due to a lack of coherent and cogent arguments. Trump’s own cabinet members faulted his policies as did his allies like Senator Lindsey Graham. Trump is not a diety he can make a mistake.
Philosopher – Your comments show how you would benefit from education that highlights and focuses on the black experience in America. Try reading about the black experience. Recognize that blacks receive longer prison sentences for the same crimes committed by white people. Feel for the mother of Trayvon Martin who looked suspicious because he was black. Feel for the kids and parents at Hobgood elementary school. Be honest with yourself and recognize how different your reaction would be if it was a black mob storming mostly white capitol instead of white Trump supporters. Make a cheshbon hanefesh and look inside your heart.October 24, 2021 1:19 pm at 1:19 pm #2020132
Health – Your defense of Trump on Afghanistan is flawed on many counts but the most obvious nad jarring is that a week before the Afghan withdrawal Trump publicly boasted at a rally that he is responsible for boxing Biden in to withdraw from Afgahnistan. Trump said “I started the process, all the troops are coming home, they (Biden) couldn’t stop the process. 21 years is enough. They (Biden) couldn’t stop the process, they (Biden) wanted to but couldn’t stop the process.” Obviously, Trump changed his tune when the going got bad but it is quite obvious to any honest observer that your logic is flawed and incorrect.October 24, 2021 1:20 pm at 1:20 pm #2020133🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
“Thanki you for proving the point that some Trump supporters have a problem facing reality and resort to name-calling and labeling due to a lack of coherent and cogent arguments. ”
Telling untruths softly is not much of a flipside to that coin. And besides, does everything individuals do become the “mark of a Trump supporter”, cuz I eat pizza for breakfast, am outspokenly against businesses under the table and think the term “shidduch crisis” was made up to pass the buck. Are those “Trump supporter markers” now or is it only when you want to make more insults against peopleOctober 24, 2021 1:20 pm at 1:20 pm #2020134
crazykanoi, In liberal cities blacks are out a bit after they are arrested, many don’t get arrested for their crimes at all ( I’ve personally been witness to two such stories where the cops let the BLACK CRIMINALS off the hook without taking them in after commiting CRIMES that I, and my neighbors, were witness to in my neighborhood). Some serve a bit and are out on the streets again in no time doing their crime. More white people get killed by police than blacks but no one gives a hoot.
You talk about Trump supporters being delusional but you Democrats are totally delusional. And how do you call yourself a a kanuoi when the leftist Democrats are pushing agendas that are abominations? You are a kanuoi for the crazy leftist liberals, you gave yourself an accurate posting name.October 24, 2021 1:22 pm at 1:22 pm #2020140
Crazykanoi, and talking about black vs white mobs, I have seen black mobs looting and rioting, setting fire to cities and businesses, setting fire to police stations AND FEDERAL BUILDINGS for months with no consequences whatsoever.
I feel it’s total hypocrisy and the blowing up January 6 out of proportion for political purposes by the Democrats, that’s how I feel.October 24, 2021 1:57 pm at 1:57 pm #2020169
Philospher – For being a philosopher your arguments are quite shallow. Many are blatant falsehoods
– such as “no consequences whatsoever” and in any case, two wrongs don’t make a right. There are more whites in America than blacks so its percentages that need to be compared and not total cases. If you were accused of a crime you would have pidyon shvuyim campaigns getting you the best lawyers in America. When a black American is arrested he is given a court-appointed lawyer and often ends up plea bargaining to save his skin even if he is innocent. The facts on incarceration are not debatable but you need to take your head out of the populist sand to see them. Honestly try for a moment to stop and question where your “feelings” come from. How do you talk to your kids about black people? Do you give over a sense of respect for another human being or is it rage and hatred to others? No ethnic group is monolithic and trying to paint all with one brush in itself leads to racist stereotypes.October 24, 2021 7:09 pm at 7:09 pm #2020214
CK -“If you were accused of a crime you would have pidyon shvuyim campaigns getting you the best lawyers in America. When a black American is arrested he is given a court-appointed lawyer”
You’re the biggest Bigot against White people that post here.
No one gets help for Committing a crime or alleged Committing one, whether you’re Frum, White or Black.
The only ones that get help in the Frum community is s/o is being persecuted for No good reason!
The only ones who get government lawyers to defend themselves is s/o who is Poor. No matter who you are.
Stop with the Liberal Lies & Nonsense!October 24, 2021 7:10 pm at 7:10 pm #2020216
CK -“Thanki you for proving the point that some Trump supporters have a problem facing reality and resort to name-calling and labeling due to a lack of coherent and cogent arguments”
I actually gave a defense. I only called you TDS because you are living in your DemonCrat Dream world!
“Trump said “I started the process, all the troops are coming home, they (Biden) couldn’t stop the process. 21 years is enough. They (Biden) couldn’t stop the process, they (Biden) wanted to but couldn’t stop the process.”
Of course we had to get out.
What you don’t understand – Trump was only doing it safely.
Therefore he worked the Taliban.
Biden had months to discuss the Withdrawal with the Taliban,
but instead he didn’t & made a Rash, Quick, Run Away.
That’s ok in his mind, but what about the family members that lost loved ones because of his Withdrawal?!?October 24, 2021 8:10 pm at 8:10 pm #2020256
CK, look up august article by Henry Kissinger. He lauds the iitial campaign in Afghanistan, but thinks that attempts to install a Western democracy were doomed to begin with. He then separates problematic situation there from the final decision by Biden administration: Describing the evolution does not eliminate the callousness and, above all, the abruptness of the withdrawal decision.
he ends with this:
We must recognise that no dramatic strategic move is available in the immediate future to offset this self-inflicted setback, such as by making new formal commitments in other regions. American rashness would compound disappointment among allies, encourage adversaries, and sow confusion among observers.
The Biden administration is still in its early stages. It should have the opportunity to develop and sustain a comprehensive strategy compatible with domestic and international necessities. Democracies evolve in a conflict of factions. They achieve greatness by their reconciliations.October 24, 2021 9:00 pm at 9:00 pm #2020277
Kissinger makes the case that Biden should not have followed through on Trump’s plan but done something different. Trump’s withdrawal plan was flawed. This is exactly my point. What is with Trump people that they must make Trump infallible?
Health; Philosopher etc: Make a cheshbon hanefesh. How often have you used or tolerated racial epithats in the past week; month and year? How often have you described or sat idly by as people described another people as chayos, behomos, monkeys, n-word, shvartzeh, cursed as slaves etc just based on their skin color. Be honest with yourselves and then look in the mirror and say that you are not racially biased.
(“The only ones that get help in the Frum community is s/o is being persecuted for No good reason!” This statement is patently false and ridiculous. It’s time to move out of conspiracy world and face reality)October 24, 2021 10:26 pm at 10:26 pm #2020286
CK, you have some chutzpah. Blacks have killed Jews, many blacks hate Jews, I have personally had blacks displaying racism towards me. When have you ever seen Jews do that to blacks?! Never!
I have been in a very dangerous situation on public transportation where two blacks said they’ll kill me and described the way they’d do that. I played it cool like it didn’t concern me and went off the next stop. A frum Jew would never do that!!!
The reason so many blacks are in prison is due to their own violence and most often it’s against each other.
The chutzpah of you to say what you did about us! The only time we say anything is if a black person actually does something bad. Frum people treat blacks with respect. Go get help, perhaps by the blacks you so love, you don’t deserve our respect.October 24, 2021 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm #2020293
CK -“Health; Make a cheshbon hanefesh. How often have you used or tolerated racial epithats in the past week; month and year? How often have you described or sat idly by as people described another people as chayos, behomos, monkeys, n-word, shvartzeh, cursed as slaves etc just based on their skin color. Be honest with yourselves and then look in the mirror and say that you are not racially biased.”
Look I don’t answer to s/o who hates all whites, esp. Frum Jews.
Again this post shows what you really are – a BIGOT!
I Don’t judge people because of their Color.
I judge them because of their Actions.
Because the DemonCrats are in Control in a Lot of States – They just didn’t prosecute, eg. Oregon almost 2 years of Violence, but very Few Prosecutions!
OTOH, one day of violence by Right-wingers – Congressional Hearing & Non-Stop Prosecutions, even for Trespassing.
If I was their Defense Lawyer, I’d defend them with – it’s illegal to apply the Law with 2 different Applications.
Do you DemonCrats expect to be taken seriously – when they’re promoting things like CRT so they aren’t responsible for their actions?!? Maybe that’s why they didn’t prosecute a lot of people during all the Riots the last two years?!?October 24, 2021 11:03 pm at 11:03 pm #2020313
CK > Kissinger makes the case that Biden should not have followed through on Trump’s plan but done something different.
No, he is not making this case. He says that general idea of negotiating w/ Taleban is an acknowledging of reality that Taleban was not defeated and that Americans will not hold by this politically. He then mentions separately a disaster of how it was done, as I quoted it to you. Numerous military leaders and veterans are of the same opinion, including those who frantically tried/try on their own to save their Afghan colleagues.October 25, 2021 12:43 am at 12:43 am #2020351
Philosopher – Your comments on “blacks” reek from racism. Your personal experiences do not give you license to tarnish an entire race with comments such as “Blacks have killed Jews, many blacks hate Jews, I have personally had blacks displaying racism towards me. ” Those comments are revolting and disgusting. Whites killed Jews as well many hate Jews as well yet it would be wrong to label whites as such and so to blacks.
Health – It seems like you can’t control the name-calling, Now it’s DemonCrats etc.
My humble advice is to see the good in people even those who have different skin color or a different outlook on issues. Recognize the hardships and sufferings of other people and ethnicities, Recognize that you are blessed to be born into an affluent community and that not everyone is as lucky as you are. Work on containing your rage and hate. Try turning off the populist conservative rage media for a day or so. Enjoy life. Life is good.October 25, 2021 1:08 am at 1:08 am #2020392
CK -” It seems like you can’t control the name-calling, Now it’s DemonCrats etc.”
Of course I call them names. It’s a lot better to call them names then act out.
Because being a DemonCrat in a free society, so far, means you agree with their policies, eg. – Killing babies (Abortion), Gay marriage.
If you didn’t, you would pick another party or be independent!October 25, 2021 9:22 am at 9:22 am #2020492
Health – No, voting Democrat does not make one a Democrat, and being a Democrat does not mean that you agree with all of their policies. Many Democrats disagree among themselves as in Manchin and Sanders. Being a Republican also does not mean that you agree with all Republican policies and Republicans themselves have a diversity of opinions as in Cheney and McCarthy.
The one political movement that demands full fealty to and adoration of its leader and his ideas is populist Trumpism. No dissent is tolerated in the Trumpian political world. One may say he dislikes Trump’s style but must believe fully that every policy of Trump was brilliant and that those who criticize him are evil traitors bent on destroying America.
Please recognize that the Trumpian populist rage media likes it when its adherents rage against others. They like to stir the passions of anger and resentment. Try to extricate yourself from the quagmire. Cut out the name-calling. Listen to the other side once in a while. Recognize that both sides have validity and that no one is evil.October 25, 2021 10:04 am at 10:04 am #2020507
CK, who said I have a problem saying that whites have killed Jews and that many whites are racists? It’s the truth and I never said otherwise. I never said ALL blacks have murdererd people and and that ALL blacks are racist. I said that there are many racist blacks. And that blacks have murdererd Jews but Jews have not killed blacks. And btw, blacks do commit the highest percent of crime and murder. That’s a fact whether you like it or not. Blaming it on their circumstances is stupid. Look at the Jews’ circumstances after the Holocaust, our grandparents were not better off. Today blacks have more opportunities than anyone so with blaming their circumstances you are blaming the circumstances of their own making.
I never, ever said that I don’t like blacks because of their skin or even that I hate all blacks. I judge people according to their actions, unlike you who claim to judge people for their actions yet excuse them if they are black. I said there are many racists among them just like every race. They are not victims and if they want to live successful lives they have the possibility to do that according to many successful blacks who don’t kow tow to you liberals idea that they are victims.
How do you know I am affluent? I have no clue what members of my community are, I don’t look into their pocketbooks and if some of my friends are affluent I have nothing from that, I’m just happy for them.
Goodness, now I see who these white liberals are marching for blacks and with blacks who demand “justice” over nothing except that their own obsession and hatred of their black skin. Now I see who these naive white-skinned self-haters who are promoting CRT destructive classes are.October 25, 2021 1:02 pm at 1:02 pm #2020554
CK -“Recognize that you are blessed to be born into an affluent community and that not everyone is as lucky as you are.”
I never have seen a poster like you – that is Such a Racist against
You claim all of us are lucky to be born in our community.
That’s true; because of being Frum.
Your insuation that Frum people have money & others don’t is a false narrative. Neither me or parents were ever weathly.
But your Liberalism dictates that’s an excuse for Criminals, whether they’re Black or White.
As a matter of fact, I never heard of Frum poor people, that ever stole or committed Violent Crimes.
So wake up and realize that the DemonCrat/Lib philosophies are just manipulations and Lies on us Normal people!October 25, 2021 2:23 pm at 2:23 pm #2020573
Thank Hashem that you were born into a community that is affluent. That even if you are not wealthy you can easily make connections with people that are. Thank Hashem that you have access to many members of our community that can provide funds for investments and provide help when needed. Recognize that many people in America do not have that ability. Recognize that communities of color tend to be poorer and that they do not have the same access to capital and aid. Try to care for others instead of hating them. Try to understand the difficulties that others face. Instead of focusing on the bad focus on the good. Trumpian right-wing rage is not good for your health or well-being it is also not good for political discourse in this country. Next time there is an instance of Police violence don’t reflexively dismiss it. Read about Emmett Till. Read about the lynchings in the Jim Crow south. Don’t hide from history learn from it.October 25, 2021 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm #2020683
CK -“That even if you are not wealthy you can easily make connections with people that are. Thank Hashem that you have access to many members of our community that can provide funds for investments and provide help when needed. ”
Instead of apologizing, you resort to Lying.
I know lots of Frum people, rich or poor, but no one offered me money.
They give Charity, but so do Goyim, black or white.
Your bigotry against Frum people is very telling!
I think that your mind will never be Cured, even if you go for psychological help!
Now I understand why you are accusing the posters here of Bigotry, because you are One!
Kol Hapoisel B’momo Poisel!October 26, 2021 7:45 am at 7:45 am #2020740
CK, only a liberal can think of an average frum person making connections with someone who is wealthy that they should bail them out, take charity, a loan, etc. Most frum people work hard and earn a living honestly. Yes, charity is b”H given beautifully in this community but it is because so many give, not take! Our lives do not revolve around which rich relatives can bail us out! That’s why the frum communities are productive communities.
Candaleza Rice spoke out against CRT and says that blacks are not victims and neither is it productive to disparage whites based on their skin color which is what CRT is all about. Candace Owens, the black conservative says the same. As do many prominent black figures say the blacks are not victims and that CRT is garbage.
IMO the biggest pushers of BLM and CRT are liberal whites. White liberals feel virtuous that they are on the side of the “poor victims of racism” so they are pushing a narrative that is totally skewed.
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