December 6, 2018 7:43 am at 7:43 am #1638409CTLAWYERParticipant
My 30 year old daughter is a carbohydrate queen.
She loves mashed potato sandwiches and would eat a latke sandwichDecember 6, 2018 8:35 am at 8:35 am #1638427
A POTATO latke?
Reminds me of when in the yeshiva lunchroom I put some mashed potatoes in between bread slices.
The rebbe on lunchroom duty that day saw me eating it, walked over to me and quoted the gemarah ” Haneh tipshoi d’Bavli d’uchleh nahama B’nahama .”
To this day, I don’t know what I did wrong.December 6, 2018 10:05 am at 10:05 am #1638518
hope you’re misquoting lunchroom Rebbi
Bavli Tipsha’ee ate two slices of bread nothing inside
if your Lelafet is mashed potatoes rather than peanut butter then go for ir
but its not a replacement for a hot dripping latkeDecember 6, 2018 10:23 am at 10:23 am #1638526
Nope, wasn’t misquoting.
Maybe that’s why he was lunchroom rebbe.December 6, 2018 10:55 am at 10:55 am #1638546
In the modern world the statement can mean not to eat carbohydrates without protein but other carbohydrates
as we make a brocho on fruit because it does not go with bread. Similarky potatoes does not go with bread.December 6, 2018 11:08 am at 11:08 am #1638548
lunchroom rebbie ( bet he wore a frock)
and didn’t respect mashed potatoes, a main sidedish in yeshiva lunchroom ( i bet even withspinach)December 6, 2018 11:18 am at 11:18 am #1638558
Could be that’s what the rebbe meant.
cmburzon… Lol… No frock… He was actually a very nice man.
Mashed potatoes & peanut butter were indeed the main staples, not sidedishes . …Along with the unforgettable noodles& cheese treats.December 6, 2018 11:21 am at 11:21 am #1638549
ZionGate, my father says the same thing. To him sandwiches are only for making a meal portable. He doesn’t get the whole idea of eating sandwiches when you’re at home and can eat the bread and other things separately.
cmberzon, ZionGate had it right. The “stupid Bavlim” did not eat two pieces of bread together! That really would be stupid. They ate bread dipped in Kutach, which is a fermented sauce made mostly from yoghurt, stale bread, and salt . (Think of soy sauce, which is mostly soy beans, wheat, and salt.) This of course makes perfect sense, but in EY they made fun of it.December 6, 2018 1:08 pm at 1:08 pm #1638601
what’s the hesitancy of describing Bavliim as real stupid?
Also, simple words are solely nahama with nahama without even kutach that would enhance taste.
the korech of seder night seems to point to a sandwich enabling someone to eat on the run etc.
Re latkes the original subject: a great latke perhaps doesn’t need anything to enhance its taste.maybe a few napkins to keep hands dryDecember 6, 2018 7:52 pm at 7:52 pm #1639011
cmberzon, “Hani Bavli Tipsho’i” refers to the Bavli habit of eating bread with kutach, or with porridge or other grain-based foods. NOT with actual bread. Whoever told you it meant literally two identical pieces of bread was falsifying pshat in gemorohDecember 6, 2018 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm #1639017CTLAWYERParticipant
Tonight we had very special latkes, and yes they were served with applesauce on the side.
We are fortunate to have a separate Pesach kitchen on our second floor. Every Chanukah we follow a very old tradition of using the Pesach kitchen (In Europe they would kasher for Pesach) to prepare a roast Goose for a Chanukah dinner, and render jars of goose schmaltz for Pesach. We use enough of the goose schmaltz to fry one night’s worth of latkes for the family. Truly a unique taste…………..December 7, 2018 7:43 am at 7:43 am #1639139
always thought peshat inביצה טז was the popular style in bavel was two slices of bread real lowlife Chazal compares inserting or dipping into bread without enhancing the bread as also being tipshut. a mashed potato sandwich sounds peculiar unless drenched in ketchup and fried onions. re a latke sandwich חבל on the latkeDecember 7, 2018 8:04 am at 8:04 am #1639165
cmberzon, I think you are missing a comma as you don’t want to say on chazal the expression lowlife.December 9, 2018 12:01 am at 12:01 am #1639574
cmberzon, how can you possibly have thought the gemora in Beitza is talking about two pieces of bread, when it explicitly says it is talking about eating bread with porridge?
ודייסא לא מלפתא דאמר ר׳ זירא הני בבלאי טיפשאי דאכלי נהמא בנהמאDecember 9, 2018 1:38 am at 1:38 am #1639593FreddyfishParticipant
Id prefer if we can call them potato pancakes and by the way applesauce on top is king!!December 9, 2018 8:11 am at 8:11 am #1639623RedneckParticipant
Helooooo! Guys it’s peanut butter al the way!!!December 17, 2019 8:02 am at 8:02 am #1811355RebbeDebbieParticipant
Since the traditional/proper way to make latkes involves shmaltz, you cannot serve them with sour cream and thus must use applesauce.
Eating latkes with sour cream is rejecting tradition in the same manner as someone switching from nusach Sefard to nusach Ashkenaz.December 17, 2019 12:46 pm at 12:46 pm #1811488lowerourtuition11210Participant
RD: Where did you know that it is the ” traditional/proper way to make latkes involves shmaltz” ? Maybe it was always made with Shemen Zayis?December 17, 2019 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm #1811489catch yourselfParticipant
There is a מנהג to eat fried food on חנוכה as a זכר to the נס of the פך שמן. Eating food fried in anything but oil, then would be a less than optimal way of observing this מנהג.
Those who made their Latkes with schmaltz (probably a relatively recent innovation, which has been, like so many others, artificially and incorrectly invested with the aura of “Mesora”), therefore, are the ones who are in the wrong.
The analogy to switching from Nusach Sefard to Nusach Ashkenaz, therefore, is quite appropriate, since Nusach Ashkenaz is the one with a real Mesorah, and Nusach Sefard is a relatively recent innovation that does not even pretend to be based on a Mesorah going back to אנשי כנסת הגדולה. This is why Rav Moshe Feinstein ruled that one may switch to from Nusach Sefard to Nusach Ashkenaz but not the other way.
There is also a מנהג to eat dairy foods on חנוכה as a זכר to the נס of the מלחמה (and the story of יהודית).
It is proper to combine these two מנהיגים so as to express the idea (put forth by the Maharal and many others) that the purpose of the נס פך השמן was to demonstrate the miraculous nature of the military victory.
Applesauce, on the other hand, has absolutely no basis in מנהגי חנוכה and is only being eaten for תאוה, which is part of the legacy of the Yevanim.
It is probably for this reason that Hashem ברוב חסדו וטובו made it that Latkes taste so much better with sour cream than with applesauce (and, in fact, even plain is better than with applesauce).December 17, 2019 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm #1811529knaidlachParticipant
על טעם וריח אין להתווכח!December 17, 2019 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm #1811531RebbeDebbieParticipant
lowerourtuition11210: “Where did you know that it is the ” traditional/proper way to make latkes involves shmaltz” ?”
My Bubbe’s handwritten recipes!December 17, 2019 5:11 pm at 5:11 pm #1811532knaidlachParticipant
על טעם וריח
ואיבעית אימא let me first taste both and only after eating about 5 of each i can tell you. (yes you guessed right, i love latkes).December 17, 2019 11:32 pm at 11:32 pm #1811816lowerourtuition11210Participant
And my grandmothers recipe was with oil not shmaltz.December 18, 2019 2:36 pm at 2:36 pm #1812009banjobobParticipant
you have not lived until you eat latkes with melted cheese and ketchup. prove me wrong 😉December 18, 2019 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #1812060iacisrmmaParticipant
Banjobob: Proof positive. Boruch Hashem I am living and breathing and never tasted nor wanted to taste latkes with melted cheese and ketchup.December 18, 2019 7:02 pm at 7:02 pm #1812089dogooderParticipant
ketchup is the way to goDecember 19, 2019 2:16 pm at 2:16 pm #1812332
Tastes differ. I don’t like sour cream and like apple sauce.January 12, 2020 11:36 pm at 11:36 pm #1822097bobbanjoisawsomeParticipant
Banjobob so true… so true …
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