June 19, 2011 11:58 am at 11:58 am #597478zahavasdadParticipant
Are there any circumstances where an animal such as a dog is subject to Skeela?June 19, 2011 7:43 pm at 7:43 pm #778188HaLeiViParticipant
If it kills someone.June 19, 2011 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm #778189splendaMember
Isn’t an animal who killed a person, killed?June 19, 2011 8:29 pm at 8:29 pm #778190
Yes. You do not want to know what those circumstances are. All I will say is that when Rubashkin went under I checked to see if we can eat from a cow that would be chayav skila as rumors of certain behavior on rural farms abroad are not 100% inaccurate.June 19, 2011 8:52 pm at 8:52 pm #778191popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Also if someone is roveah it.June 19, 2011 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #778192hello99Participant
pba: i’m pretty sure thats what 600k meantJune 19, 2011 9:41 pm at 9:41 pm #778193popa_bar_abbaParticipant
I agree.June 19, 2011 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm #778194zahavasdadParticipant
What if the dog wandered where it wasnt supposed to go?June 20, 2011 12:33 am at 12:33 am #778195bezalelParticipant
600k: Why mention Rubashkin?June 20, 2011 12:43 am at 12:43 am #778196basket of radishesParticipant
Please for us who are ba’al tschuvah and not ffb, tell us what skeeva is please.June 20, 2011 1:53 am at 1:53 am #778197splendaMember
skeela is a death by stoning.June 20, 2011 2:50 am at 2:50 am #778198ItcheSrulikMember
An animal is chayav skila when three people who should know better decide that it’s a reincarnated lawyer.June 20, 2011 3:05 am at 3:05 am #778199rebbi1Participant
the Mishna in Edios says that even a chicken that killed a baby is chayuv skeliah.June 20, 2011 3:20 am at 3:20 am #778200ItcheSrulikMember
rebbi1: Just an ox.June 20, 2011 4:33 am at 4:33 am #778201Josh31Participant
We are always allowed to kill an animal that is threatening people.
This “reincarnated lawyer” story is certainly not enhancing how Orthodox Jews are viewed. We need to distance ourselves from such mystical practices.
On the other hand taking action to protect people from harm will enhance respect for us.
We must focus on what will cause the world to say as per Devarim 4:6 “only an understanding and wise nation…”June 20, 2011 7:45 am at 7:45 am #778202HaLeiViParticipant
Zahavasdad, you are right. During the time of the giving of the Torah, an animal would have gotten Skila for going where it wasn’t supposed to (onto the mountain).June 20, 2011 9:57 am at 9:57 am #778203
I only mention Rubashkin because when they went under, the kosher supply was threatened. I feared that without them and without any other dominant and reliable nationwide supplier, imported meat would come in from who knows where – including places where it is rumored that there are cattle (and even more so smaller livestock) that are chayavai skila.June 20, 2011 9:59 am at 9:59 am #778204
The reincarnated lawyer story is very spurious. I thought the dead dog was allowed to lie already after the story was disproven. As usual, the coterie of leftist Jews and Orthoskeptics that dredge up garbage to cover for their own shortcomings did their usual and this dumb story is back in the news.June 20, 2011 10:29 am at 10:29 am #778205
Dead animals are subject to sreyfa, usually when an amateur cooks them on a crummy barbecue grill or when someone forgets to put enough water in the cholent.
In such instances, people often want to give the cook skila but that’s ossur too.June 20, 2011 2:27 pm at 2:27 pm #778206WolfishMusingsParticipant
Of course, the gemara in Sanhedrin makes it clear that animals are subject to the same judicial process as humans when it comes to being put to death by Bais Din. That would seem to indicate that an animal, just like a person, requires a Bais Din of ordained judges, which does not exist today.
The Wolf (who, according to the Mishna, can be killed by anyone at any time).
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