December 13, 2015 5:16 am at 5:16 am #616822
Is it the visibility of drivers, or is driving too masculine?December 13, 2015 5:27 am at 5:27 am #1117778JosephParticipant
Chasidishe women are stay at home moms.December 13, 2015 5:31 am at 5:31 am #1117779👑RebYidd23Participant
Wow. So many people I thought were chasidishe women are actually not… So what are those Chasidishe non-stay-at-home-mom females called if not Chasidishe women?December 13, 2015 5:35 am at 5:35 am #1117780
I didn’t say anything about doing it professionally.December 13, 2015 5:47 am at 5:47 am #1117781
It would be a problem for any frum woman or girl, because you’re secluded in the front with another pilot for hours on end. Unless she can always secure the company of another female, I think it wouldn’t be wise. I don’t know Halacha, just common sense.December 13, 2015 4:51 pm at 4:51 pm #1117782charliehallParticipant
” you’re secluded in the front with another pilot for hours on end”
Not really; pilots often leave the cockpit on long flights.
And the OP did not distinguish between private flying and commercial flying. Private pilots fly their own aircraft, solo.December 13, 2015 5:27 pm at 5:27 pm #1117783
I know that. But the ones I fly are two seaters.
As far as the long flights one commercial ones, it’s still in seclusion. Even if one could circumvent Halachah issues, it’s not a smart, sensible situation for one frum female.December 13, 2015 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #1117784skripkaParticipant
i could see how it would be an unprofitable venture. all the flights would leave two hours lateDecember 13, 2015 10:01 pm at 10:01 pm #1117785nishtdayngesheftParticipant
A good example of OO psak:
“Not really; pilots often leave the cockpit on long flights.”
How does that change that pilots are secluded for long periods? Clearly long periods mean the length of time that would be an issur yichud. And the cockpit on commercial flights are locked from the inside so that people from outside cannot access. Would seem that way here can be a very real issue of yichud.December 13, 2015 10:52 pm at 10:52 pm #1117786zahavasdadParticipant
How many chassidic men have Pilots licenses?December 13, 2015 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm #1117787feivelParticipant
If the co-pilot was a yekke all the flights would leave EXACTLY two hours lateDecember 13, 2015 11:49 pm at 11:49 pm #1117788simcha613Participant
Joseph- you mean they aren’t supporting their husbands in koillel??? I’m not mekabel!December 14, 2015 4:25 am at 4:25 am #1117789
ZD, You’d be surprised..December 14, 2015 9:41 pm at 9:41 pm #1117790HashemisreadingParticipant
simcha613: I believe your mixing up chassidish with yeshivish?December 14, 2015 11:55 pm at 11:55 pm #1117792Torah613TorahParticipant
They don’t drive, why would you think that they fly?December 15, 2015 12:13 am at 12:13 am #1117793
You didn’t read the OP, did you?December 15, 2015 12:50 am at 12:50 am #1117794frumnotyeshivishParticipant
Comlink: you hypothesized 2 possibilities, masculinity and visibility. Presumably you think piloting is masculine but not visible.
I’d like to hypothesize two alternative possibilities. Is driving banned so as to require community infrastructure or merely to discourage independent behavior? A pilot who can’t drive surely still needs infrastructure so maybe it would be okay. But it is independent and (*gasp*) out-of-community recreational activity so the final decision is BANNED.December 16, 2015 11:14 pm at 11:14 pm #1117795
Is driving banned so as to require community infrastructure
To keep them dependent on others? NYC has public transportation.
or merely to discourage independent behavior?
I think you’re being ridiculous.December 17, 2015 12:03 am at 12:03 am #1117796👑RebYidd23Participant
It is not only untzniusdik but also unsafe for a defenseless woman to take public transportation.December 17, 2015 5:01 am at 5:01 am #1117797popa_bar_abbaParticipant
It would be a problem for any frum woman or girl, because you’re secluded in the front with another pilot for hours on end. Unless she can always secure the company of another female, I think it wouldn’t be wise. I don’t know Halacha, just common sense.
That would apply to men also, who would be in a cockpit with a woman sometimes.
But you didn’t think of that.
You only think of this stuff for other people.December 17, 2015 5:09 am at 5:09 am #1117798JosephParticipant
I think it would be much more common for a specific woman pilot to be paired with a male pilot than for a specific male pilot to be paired with a woman pilot. In fact a woman pilot is more likely to be paired with a male pilot than with another woman pilot, whereas a male pilot is more likely to be paired with another male pilot than with a woman pilot.December 17, 2015 5:21 am at 5:21 am #1117799popa_bar_abbaParticipant
I think it would be much more common for a specific woman pilot to be paired with a male pilot than for a specific male pilot to be paired with a woman pilot. In fact a woman pilot is more likely to be paired with a male pilot than with another woman pilot, whereas a male pilot is more likely to be paired with another male pilot than with a woman pilot.
But over a career it’s a statistical certainty for either?December 18, 2015 3:23 am at 3:23 am #1117800
In all the times I’ve flown I’ve never been with a female co-pilot (or instructor)December 20, 2015 3:08 am at 3:08 am #1117801offbeat2Member
Just because all the times you’ve flown you haven’t flown with a woman pilot , doesn’t mean most pilots aren’t women.
Just because most chassidish women aren’t pilots doesn’t mean most women aren’t either.December 20, 2015 3:17 am at 3:17 am #1117802☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
About 5% of pilots are women.December 20, 2015 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm #1117803
So 5% of me is women?
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