August 24, 2008 2:34 pm at 2:34 pm #588068anonymouseParticipant
Is it Tznius for women/girls to wear Crocs?August 24, 2008 8:15 pm at 8:15 pm #1076091BogenParticipant
anonymouse, you certainly ask a very valid question. The answer may depend on the circumstances. Indoors or outdoors? Necessary or optional?
Nevertheless, there is one thing certain. The folks around here opposed to any tznius standards will jump on your throat and call you a fanatic for even asking a tznius question. Brace yourself.August 24, 2008 8:46 pm at 8:46 pm #1076092cantoresqMember
Az m’fregt a sha’aleh m’enfret treif.August 24, 2008 9:35 pm at 9:35 pm #1076093anon for thisParticipant
Is it tznius for men/ boys to wear crocs?August 24, 2008 9:36 pm at 9:36 pm #1076094NOW are you happyMember
cantoresq- Thank you for that foreign language class. It inspires me to learn spanish or whatever language that was.
As to the real question here, of course they’re not tznius. They have holes all over them. And don’t give me any of that “it’s less than a tefach” junk. It doesn’t matter. The gedolim have to speak out against this new trend. assur gamur.August 25, 2008 12:22 am at 12:22 am #1076095tzippiMember
I won’t jump (figuratively of course) on anyone, but can you explain why they shouldn’t be tznius, and which shoes are?August 25, 2008 2:16 am at 2:16 am #1076096shindyMember
I personally do not wear crocks as I consider them pool attire. If I would wear them, I would wear stockings underneath, and I don’t see any tznius issue. By the way, I am sure we will see plenty of people wearing crocs on Yom Kippur, and the “tznius Police” will not come out yelling….August 25, 2008 2:57 am at 2:57 am #1076097marinerMember
well i gues our emohos, and the wives of our tannaim and amoroim were all not tzniusdik, as they all wore sandals, which have holes all over them 🙂August 25, 2008 3:25 am at 3:25 am #1076098yoshiMember
You will find those who say; sandals, crocs, high heals, etc. are not “kosher,” but it is a matter of where you live, WHO you ask, and several different circumstances, to determine how tznius they are. Who are any of you to dictate to everyone else on this website how untzniusdik you THINK something is, and bring those who wear them down?
anonymouse – you are going to get a lot of people arguing from both sides back and forth for months, and it could get confusing if you’re looking for a definitive answer. The point is, if you want to know what’s truly right for your situation, ask your Rabbi, someone you respect, not these random people on YWN who you’ve never met before.August 25, 2008 7:02 am at 7:02 am #1076100yoshiMember
I’d just like to add, that I am not a big fan of the crocs, i think they look kind of goofy 🙂 but they do look cute on kids id have to admit. sadly, i did have to wear them due to foot surgery. They are the lightest shoes ive ever encountered!August 25, 2008 9:54 am at 9:54 am #1076101
This discussion is nonsense, please stop it.August 25, 2008 11:40 am at 11:40 am #1076102shindyMember
I did not mean, by the way, to say the crocs are ossur, it is just that they are not to my liking as I think they are more meant to wear in the pool or shower. I don’t think any of us are giving a psak, rather than just sharing our opinions. Personally, I find the crocs more tznius that some of the very stylish and flashy shoes that some people wear. I guess if the holes are not tznius you can wear the Israeli Naot clogs/slip on shoes which don’t have the holes, they are made of leather though and are much more expensive. I hear they are very comfy, and if they are made in israel your money will go to Israel (maybe).August 25, 2008 12:25 pm at 12:25 pm #1076103anonymouseParticipant
BTW i am referring to the neon and flashy colors of crocs. not Black or other non attractive colors!August 25, 2008 2:19 pm at 2:19 pm #1076104marinerMember
anonymouse: now you have changed the question. the question has nothing to do with crocks, but the colors of shoes. it is moot what type of shoe. youre asking if neon color shoes are tznius.
now go find a rov, and ask him. then do what he says. asking here is utter stupidity.August 25, 2008 2:44 pm at 2:44 pm #1076105
Flashy Crocs are assur to men because of Beged Eisha. I don’t know about women, are they (crocs, not women) different then flashy shoes?
It may depend on the number of pairs one owns 🙂August 25, 2008 5:08 pm at 5:08 pm #1076106jphoneMember
Neon colors, in my humble opinion, should be worn by clowns in the circus.August 25, 2008 5:37 pm at 5:37 pm #1076107Mayan_DvashParticipant
Before you give an answer this one, shouldn’t you first find out how to take off maaser from salt and straw? 🙂August 25, 2008 7:00 pm at 7:00 pm #1076108teeenof13Participant
It is easily discernible amongst my age group that the ones who wear crocs are the same ones who breach all manner of tzniut.August 25, 2008 9:52 pm at 9:52 pm #1076110mdlevineMember
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There are crocs without holes. Some even have laces. Some are boots. Once again it goes to the flashy colors as in other areas of tzinus. additionally, if you wear the type with holes – or the non boot version, nylons or knee socks should be worn with them.
I wear the CrocsRX Silver Cloud (in basic black).August 25, 2008 10:13 pm at 10:13 pm #1076111cantoresqMember
This conversation, inane though it is, raises an interesting issue. To what extent are the standards of tzniut subject to the subjective standards of (good) taste? Crocs are ugly. Every time I put mine on, I feel like a fool wearing them (but they are so very comfortable), and I generally wear them only around the house. But to say they are immodest seems quite a stretch.August 26, 2008 5:39 pm at 5:39 pm #1076112
The saddest part of the postings on this website is the fact that the vast majority have no clue – not a scintilla of knowledge- of halacha.
The fact that there are holes in crocs mean ABSOLUTELY nothing. Feet are NOT an ervah!! This is so explicit in tenach, gemoro and Poskim that even asking this question is silly.
Then,one “oiberchochom’ writes that it is beged isha and prohibited to men. HUH???? Since when are crocs exclusive to women ? They are basically unisex and to say that they are ‘beged isha’ is stupid.
I wish that the ones who spout halacha would have actually learned halacha!August 26, 2008 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm #1076113saythatagainMember
I don’t understand why if some one wanted to know if anything was tznius would they ask the ywn cofferoom clan? why don’t you ask you Rebitzin or RAv? since when do a bunch of annyonmous bloggers determine what is tznius? (even the Rabbi of Berlin, who at least knows halcha- by the way tznius is much more than halacha, but that’s another topic- doesn’t know you and can’t give you a psak on line or even an atza!August 26, 2008 7:10 pm at 7:10 pm #1076114
Seriously, I hope no man would be caught wearing multi-colored neon crocs or shoes, and my point was that they were the same, not that crocs are any different (ie. we agree).August 26, 2008 7:26 pm at 7:26 pm #1076115gonisoheivMember
The Mishna Brurah says that “rubber shoes” are extremely comfortable, and therefore yesh l’hachmir and NOT to wear them on Yom Kippur. Look it up you online forum poskim you!August 26, 2008 7:28 pm at 7:28 pm #1076116gonisoheivMember
Yes, that’s true rob, as everyone knows lime green is not tznius but shocking pink, according to everyone is tznius. btw, there’s no such thing as a stupid question. asking for a psak on this thing though comes close 🙂August 26, 2008 9:54 pm at 9:54 pm #1076117noitallmrParticipant
I think that there’s no problem whatsoever in wearing whatever color crocs you want simply because most of the people wearing bright colors are not wearing to attract rather that is the colors girls like. But i agree boys should not wear colored crocs, not als Beged Isha but it’s not a yeshivish thing to do (im talking about older boys of course).August 26, 2008 10:53 pm at 10:53 pm #1076118NOW are you happyMember
rabbiofberlin: kol haposel bimumo posel. I’m sorry to inform you that you are wrong. I don’t know if you are the rabbi of anything, berlin or otherwise, but I do certainly know that there is an issue with uncovered feet. so yes, having holes very well may require the use of socks.
and you ought have noticed before you spewed that the beged isha issue was introduced in regard to bright colors.
so NOW are you happyAugust 27, 2008 12:22 am at 12:22 am #1076119oomisParticipant
I know this is going to be regarded as a nit-picky post, but the word Tznius, means “MODESTY,” not modestLY, and is constantly being misused by people. What they mean to say is not that something is or is not Tznius, but that it is or is not TzniusDIG. It is not tzniusdig to wear short skirts, or lime green dresses (and WHY is that, exactly??), or sleeveless dresses, or Hawaiian shirts (if you are a man). I don’t know who the first person was who doesn’t know basic rules of good grammar and made a noun into an adjective, but using the expression it is not “Tznius” to describe one’s clothing or actions, is like saying it is “voch” to discuss business on Shabbos, when what you really mean to say is it is vochedig. Sorry to be so picky and petty, but this really has always bothered me that people continue to speak poorly.August 27, 2008 12:34 am at 12:34 am #1076120JewessMember
Crocs are dead ugly. (Sorry Crocs lovers…)
I doubt they’re not tzniut.August 27, 2008 2:48 am at 2:48 am #1076121
“NOw are you happy”. Show your SOURCES please ! Just because you say so, ain’t so! Naked feet are not an ervah!
And since when are bright colors “beged ish”? This is the most preposterous idea ever. I cannot wear a brigth tie? or a bright jacket? this is nonsense!
You will have to explain to me your statement “kol haposel bemumo posel” concerning my posting. “Mah inyan shemittah eitzel har sinai”?August 27, 2008 2:08 pm at 2:08 pm #1076123
NOW may looking for a red herring before you may cross the bridge, but only if the red herring is a dull color! 🙂
Seriously, there is a difference between multicolored neon shoes and a multicolored neon tie. One (the latter) is generally worn by men, the other by a clown or who the Gemorah says “Oy Lo Leme Shabanav Nekayvos”.August 27, 2008 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm #1076124
to lammed hey….I will absolutely agree with you that, in case I see a man (especially on Shabbos)coming towards me with multi-colored neon crocs,I’ll think that he is either :
1) coming from a flatbush kiddush and having imbibed some of that good single malt
2) coming from an audition to fill Popov the clown’s shoes- (pun intended)
3) lost his own shoes while going to the mikvah (maybe mysteriously disappeared?) and reached out for the closest pair in the Mikva (the mind boggles at the thought of many neon-colored crocs in the mikvah)
4) Certainly he is, at least, color-blind and thinks he is wearing his grandfather’s “shtivel” (boots) from his days in Poland.
5) he is a woman in drag going to a reform shtibel.
It still does not make it begged isha…..August 27, 2008 3:32 pm at 3:32 pm #1076125Dodgy BochurMember
All you guys are telling everyone else to ask their Rov, first go ask your Rav if your’e allowed on the Internet and i can almost gurantee u that any Rov of stature would not permit it, besides for special circumstances etc.
(and BTW all the gedolim have assured the Internet so throw it away u mushchosim…)August 27, 2008 3:36 pm at 3:36 pm #1076126Dodgy BochurMember
i think that before asking ur Rov about crocs, ask him whther or not u shud be on the net, and i can almost gurantee u that most Rabbonim will not permit it.August 27, 2008 3:57 pm at 3:57 pm #1076127
rabbi; why are you jumping down “now…”s back? he didn’t make up the flashy colors business, he was just explaining the argument to you!
the real saddest part about this site is the combative tone you all takeAugust 27, 2008 5:03 pm at 5:03 pm #1076128
Permission to repost in humor section? I only considered 2 & 5….
If the others are possible, I would reconsider, as answers 1 & 4 does not apply to pointy high heels (guys can’t walk in them sober, let alone drunk!) 🙂August 27, 2008 5:03 pm at 5:03 pm #1076129
blue shirt………OK, thank you for your input. I will try to moderate my tone next time and use some humor…as you can see (I hope) from my more recent posting….August 27, 2008 11:03 pm at 11:03 pm #1076130oomisParticipant
If flashy colors were good enough for Yosef haTzaddik, and if maaseh avos siman l’banim, why is this even an issue? Yaakov Avinu did not err by giving his son a colorful beged ish, his mistake was in showing favoritism to one son over all the others.August 28, 2008 1:08 am at 1:08 am #1076131Abov Posters embaress MEasAjewParticipant
rabbiofberlin: my name speaks to YOUAugust 28, 2008 9:49 am at 9:49 am #1076132
To the Editor:
The post after Dodgy Bochur and before lammed hey is NOT MINE!!! I did not write it. Please check your editing, software or whatever needs to be checked.
To the best of my knowledge, this is the first time this has happened to me, I hope it has not happened to anyone else.August 28, 2008 1:34 pm at 1:34 pm #1076133
oy,rabbiofberlin: That was not my message and I do not know how it got on the board. I sent a message to the editor to fix whatever needs to be fixed. My apologies to you. I hope you saw that that message was not my style anyway.August 28, 2008 4:27 pm at 4:27 pm #1076134
To ‘AbovePOstersEmbarassMeasaJew”. HUH ???? I truly, truly, have no idea what you mean!!August 29, 2008 6:03 am at 6:03 am #1076135dovidlayaMember
This entire thread is “a load of croc”!! 🙂 Now what is your response to that??? HMMMM. Take achrayis in more important and vital issues within your own communities and families. In a nutshell, y’all should get a life!!September 3, 2008 7:01 pm at 7:01 pm #1076136Mayan_DvashParticipant
That’s what I was getting at with my first comment (page 1 toward the bottom)May 8, 2015 12:06 am at 12:06 am #1076138👑RebYidd23Participant
Crocs are assur because the holes are like cheese.
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