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  • #1842006

    How many first borns out there realized they may not have a siyum to attend this erev pesach? ๐Ÿ˜ฌ

    #1842010
    Joseph
    Participant

    We’re making an illicit Siyum.

    Just ten of us. So we’re within current regulations. And maintaining a six-foot distance.

    #1842022
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “How many first borns out there realized they may not have a siyum to attend this erev pesach? ๐Ÿ˜ฌ”

    Hopefully none. Its still early Start horiyos can do a blatt a day and still have wiggle room .

    I’m not sure why anyone would think you need a minyan for a siyum

    #1842025
    yitzymotcha
    Participant

    I’m a few blatt behind from finishing Brachas in daf yomi so its working out perfect.
    Can you do this live stream?

    #1842035

    R Shlomo Zalman Auerbach paskend one can listen to a siyum on the telephone. RRabbi Heinemann stated in his webinar this past Thursday that one can make a siyum beyechidus.

    #1842052
    Joseph
    Participant

    For those b’chors unable to attend a Siyum on Erev Pesach, they will have a fast day. A Siyum isn’t obligatory for us. And it isn’t like they lack experience with fasting.

    So no need for that “Yikes” smiley. Rather it should be a happy one: ๐Ÿ˜

    #1842091
    mattisyahu
    Participant

    Trying to kill people this year with your siyum?

    Regardless, as Pesach is a couple of weeks away, I think you will change your mind by then.

    If you run any sort of projection here, you would realize that the number of cases each day now, will increase 10 – 20 times the amount (if not more in our community due the extensive social mixing) towards the second half of next week.

    Keep on looking for ways to be smarter than everyone else… Good going. Just know that for every additional person that gets sick and needs intubation (an unfortunately high percent need that), will mean a doctor having to choose which person gets that tube and which one does not.

    Of course if the medical supplies can be ramped up or this talked about treatment is effective it may not be that dire, but that is where we stand right now.

    Be smart, think about your civic duty to your fellow yid and everyone in society, even if you can’t think about yourself and your family. The situation we are in is a lot worse than many of you realize. If you realized you would not even suggest that you are making an illicit siyum following the guidelines.

    #1842113
    GAON
    Participant

    Joseph.

    There is absolutely no chiyuv to have any minyan at a siyum. The only ones you should have is other bichorim.
    You can be mesayum mesecehet Tamid. Or a sefer in Navi as well.

    #1842115

    syag,

    Hopefully none will need a siyum because moshiach will be here soon

    #1842108
    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    The joys of being the youngest, not an issue for me

    #1842121
    Joseph
    Participant

    CTL, yet you lose the privileges of being a b’chor.

    #1842167
    yitzymotcha
    Participant

    Its true that you don’t need a minyan. I once overslept so I called my rov and asked if there was any heter to eat. Instead he told me to come over and he made a siyum for me. He finished Rosh Hashana. Then he told me the rema says the minhag is to redo the eiruv chatzaros Erev pesach so he had me be zoche in the matza for his block but he said we won’t make a bracha because itsa a safek if there’s an eruv in Flatbush.

    #1842189
    The Shady Charedi
    Participant

    @CTLAWYER and @the_rest_of_you_too,

    Be aware that if you have a son who is a bechor below bar-mitzvah then many poskim say to fast on his behalf. Also, some poskim say the same for a deceased father who was a bechor.

    #1842191
    rebyonoson
    Participant

    HaGaon HaRov Neventzal paskins that you can make a siyum over zoom or phone (I think he was specifically asked about taanis bechoros)

    #1842193
    rebyonoson
    Participant

    ^the baal siyum wouldn’t say kaddish, but the sudah that everyone would eat after would count as a sudas mitzvoh

    #1842208
    charliehall
    Participant

    I expect to be making an online siyum on Yerushalmi Berachot from my home.

    #1842311

    Shady Charedi: “Also, some poskim say the same for a deceased father who was a bechor.” What are you talking about or was this a typo?

    #1842402
    takahmamash
    Participant

    I have already been informed of two “virtual siymim” in our locality. And yes, I am a bechor.

    #1842481
    Health
    Participant

    I once wasn’t able to go to a Siyom, and I fasted. It’s horrible breaking the fast on wine!

    #1842510
    Goldilocks
    Participant

    Health: Is it worse than breaking your fast on wine following Yom Kippur (or Tisha B’av, when it occurs on Shabbos or Sunday)?

    #1842509
    rational
    Participant

    โ€œAlso, some poskim say the same for a deceased father who was a bechor.โ€ What are you talking about or was this a typo?

    No, not a typo. However, this very old minhag (approximately 700 years) seems to have expanded in some circles, including the aforementioned addition of the deceased father. If you are looking for the original minhag, then
    1. Women first born also need to fast
    2. Non-bechorim who are hygienically scrupulous (ืื™ืกื˜ื ื™ืกื™ื) also fast.

    How many abide by the original minhag?

    #1842526
    Goldilocks
    Participant

    Rational: Yes, someone did tell me once that I really should be fasting on Erev Pesach, since I am a first-born. The person couldn’t find a source for it though, and I didn’t like the idea too much, so I just let it go.
    If you have a source, I would love to hear about it (and you just may convince me to do it)!

    #1842552
    midwesterner
    Participant

    Dr. Hall: Impressive accomplishment! May you be zoche to complete all Yerushalmi!!!

    #1842529
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    GAON, we missed you. What happened to you?

    #1842660
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Maseches Tamid is from 25-33 dafin around 8 blat.

    #1842675
    Health
    Participant

    Goldilocks -“Health: Is it worse than breaking your fast on wine following Yom Kippur (or Tisha Bโ€™av, when it occurs on Shabbos or Sunday)?”

    First of all, you can use grape juice, but Pesach – GJ is a big problem.
    2nd, having wine & then eating 2 seconds later isn’t such a prob. By Pesach, that isn’t the case.

    #1842697
    Joseph
    Participant

    Does a b’chor born via Cesarian Section have to have a Siyum or fast?

    #1842724
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    There is a question did Hashem kill the bechorim or the maahchis? They answer that from the father only Hashem knows but from the mother even the mashchis knows. The Baer Hetev 470,1 refers to the Chok Yaakov who leaves it in a question about yotzei dofen, cesarian section.

    #1842727

    Joe,

    Yes

    #1842787
    Joseph
    Participant

    CA, why?

    You didn’t justify or explain your answer.

    #1842775
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    ืฉื•”ืช ืžื’ื“ื ื•ืช ืืœื™ื”ื• ื—ืœืง ื“ ืกื™ืžืŸ ื™ื’
    ื•ืœืคืขื ”ื“ ื”ืฆ ืœื”ื—ืžื™ืจ ื‘ื”ืื™ ืžื™ืœืชื, ื“ื”ืจื™ ื”ื›ืฃ ื”ื—ื™ื™ื (ืฉื ืก”ืง ื’’) ืžืกื™ืง ืœื“ื™ื ื ื“ื™ื•ืฆื ื“ื•ืคืŸ ื”ืฆ ืœื”ืชืขื ื•ืช, ื•ื”ื‘ื™ื ื“ื‘ืจื™ ื”ื—ืง ื™ืขืงื‘, ื•ื›ืชื‘ ื“ื›ื™ื•ืŸ ืฉืื™ืŸ ื–ื” ื›”ื ื—ืฉืฉื ื‘ืขืœืžื, ื”ืฆ ืœื”ืชืขื ื•ืช ืžืกืคืง ืขื™ื™ืŸ ืฉื, ื•ื›”ื› ื‘ืื•ืจ ื™ืฉืจืืœ (ื™ืื ื•ื‘ืกืงื™, ืฉื ื˜ืขื ื”ืคืกื— ืก”ืง ื”’) ื“ื™ืฉ ืœื”ืงืœ ืขื™ื™ืŸ ืฉื.

    #1843094
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    CTL, yet you lose the privileges of being a bโ€™chor.

    Big deal.

    If someone like me can be a bechor, then it obviously doesn’t have too much meaning.

    The Wolf

    #1843298
    Milhouse
    Participant

    I have several times made a siyum on Tamid, either because I missed the morning minyan, or because I had no minyan available. (One year I was on a plane, and another year I was in a place with only one other Jew.) It takes me about an hour or a little longer to go through it (just the text, no Rashi).

    But one year I was unable to leave my home or to learn Torah until chatzos, and faced the prospect of having to fast until an hour after chatzos. Fortunately someone was found to come and make a siyum

    #1844618
    MrSarahLevine613
    Participant

    Our shul is having a siyum on line

    #1844675
    yld
    Participant

    Our Shul is not having a Siyum on line!

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