Are you a belieber?

It is one thing to like his voice and some of his songs, but to be a beleiber is insane.

You don’t have to be smart to realize where he’ll be in a couple of years. Or for that matter, where he is.

Why are we judging the behavior of an unintelligent pop icon?

gavra- “he ignored some of the boycott calls when he proformed (or will preform) in EY. Good for Yidden in my book.”

What?- So you think Madonna, and all the others who include Israel on their tour is good for the jews? Maybe they are good n that they don’t incite the opposite/- They said the same thing about Elton John and many others- that despite the threats, they ‘persevere on’ an that they ‘should be lauded’. All they do is reinvigorate the carefreeness there. Elton John- and his ‘husband’. Ridiculous. ‘Good for the Jews’ – jump in the lake.

talmud: I did for editing.

I hear, but disagree. Eretz Yisroel could use all the support it can get.

Quite a few musical artists boycott Israel and refuse to perform there because of the “occupation.” Bieber singing in Israel and having the guts to ignore those who distort the truth is actually a pretty big deal. Many famous musicians, from Pink Floyd to Elvis Costello have refused to play in Israel.

Let the official offendees be offended all they want. It’s harmless.

It certainly was an insensitive comment on his part, but definitely not out of character for someone of his mindset. He probably didn’t change anybody’s mind one way or the other, so on balance there’s no actual harm done. Those who learn Torah Lishma will remain committed to Hashem and Torah. Those who would be influenced to join some Christianity or some other non-Torah movement would likely have done so anyway. (Which is not meant to condone their choice, but just to state the fact of the matter.)

The Goq: It wasn’t in mine. I read it as an adult (ironically in a chareidi home in Israel) and understand why.

At least he went to visit the museum.

I am not a Justin Bieber fan, never was, never will be. BUT – though what he wrote may have been foolish and in questionable taste, it is not worthy of the big gedillah that is being made over it. Had Anne Frank not lived in a country overrun by the Nazis Y”Sh and there had been such a teen idol who was world-famous then, or were she alive as a teen today, she would very likely be a huge fan of his, as are so many female teenybopper in the secular world, Jewish or not.

Anne Frank O”H was very much a typical teen until she was forced into hiding, and even then we can see within her diary the typical angst, thoughts, feelings, hates, and loves that many adolescent girls seem to go through. In that respect, Bieber was probably correct, though he would have been wiser to keep his self-promoting thoughts to himself at such a time and place.

I never heard of the term belieber before this thread. I think a more appropriate term would be beleaguered though. What an idiot, but who cares.

It was a well-intentioned but somewhat thoughtless remark — no big deal. This “controversy” seems media-generated.

The Israeli Chabad kabbalist Rabbi Yitzchak Ginsburgh recently wrote an essay on his website encouraging all Jews to read Frank’s autobiography (even charedim who probably wouldn’t normally read it.)

Yes, pretty much. Besides the family dynamics and the fact that they were not frum