April 15, 2013 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #609012
Story in the tabs today Justin Bieber visits Anne Frank Museum and in the guestbook he writes that if Anne were alive today he hopes she would be a belieber (a term he uses to describe his fans). Dov Hikind was quoted in the Daily News saying it was extremely insensitive thing to do, Abraham Foxman weighed in saying he thinks it was harmless.April 15, 2013 7:33 pm at 7:33 pm #945634apushatayidParticipant
How many 80 year old beliebers are there?April 15, 2013 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #945635
It is one thing to like his voice and some of his songs, but to be a beleiber is insane.
You don’t have to be smart to realize where he’ll be in a couple of years. Or for that matter, where he is.April 15, 2013 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #945636
I read about it as well, and I thought well of it. Anne Frank was “normal”, and the point was that any teen/preteen alive today could have been Anne Frank. All it takse is for a dictator to get into is head (or more accurately, for Hashem to put in his head) to wipe out a specific group, and there you go.
It does not make me a “belieber”?, but in general the guy has been pro-yidden & EY. IIRC he ignored some of the boycott calls when he performed (or will perform) in EY (sorry). Good for Yidden in my book.April 15, 2013 7:45 pm at 7:45 pm #945637pou_bearMember
Why are we judging the behavior of an unintelligent pop icon?April 15, 2013 7:48 pm at 7:48 pm #945638yaakov doeParticipant
What do you expect from an ignorant child?April 15, 2013 7:48 pm at 7:48 pm #945639
gavra- “he ignored some of the boycott calls when he proformed (or will preform) in EY. Good for Yidden in my book.”
What?- So you think Madonna, and all the others who include Israel on their tour is good for the jews? Maybe they are good n that they don’t incite the opposite/- They said the same thing about Elton John and many others- that despite the threats, they ‘persevere on’ an that they ‘should be lauded’. All they do is reinvigorate the carefreeness there. Elton John- and his ‘husband’. Ridiculous. ‘Good for the Jews’ – jump in the lake.April 15, 2013 7:52 pm at 7:52 pm #945640
gavra- did u take ur post down or was it the mods?April 15, 2013 7:54 pm at 7:54 pm #945641
talmud: I did for editing.
I hear, but disagree. Eretz Yisroel could use all the support it can get.April 15, 2013 8:13 pm at 8:13 pm #945642
gavra- “All it takse is for a dictator..”
All it TAKES. Just helping w/ the editing 🙂April 15, 2013 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm #945643rationalfrummieMember
Quite a few musical artists boycott Israel and refuse to perform there because of the “occupation.” Bieber singing in Israel and having the guts to ignore those who distort the truth is actually a pretty big deal. Many famous musicians, from Pink Floyd to Elvis Costello have refused to play in Israel.April 15, 2013 8:27 pm at 8:27 pm #945644
All it TAKES. Just helping w/ the editing 🙂
Thanks, or should I say thansk 🙂April 15, 2013 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #945645yitayningwutParticipant
Let the official offendees be offended all they want. It’s harmless.April 15, 2013 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #945646
I thought it was funny and rather revealing.April 15, 2013 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #945647PBTMember
It certainly was an insensitive comment on his part, but definitely not out of character for someone of his mindset. He probably didn’t change anybody’s mind one way or the other, so on balance there’s no actual harm done. Those who learn Torah Lishma will remain committed to Hashem and Torah. Those who would be influenced to join some Christianity or some other non-Torah movement would likely have done so anyway. (Which is not meant to condone their choice, but just to state the fact of the matter.)April 15, 2013 9:42 pm at 9:42 pm #945648
I don’t think he did anything wrong what he was kinda saying is, if she had lived in this day and age she would have been a normal teenage girl.
As an aside is Anne Frank’s diary studied in frum schools?April 15, 2013 9:49 pm at 9:49 pm #945649
The Goq: It wasn’t in mine. I read it as an adult (ironically in a chareidi home in Israel) and understand why.April 15, 2013 10:06 pm at 10:06 pm #945650
Torah what do you mean you understand why? can you explain please?April 15, 2013 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm #945651ImaofthreeParticipant
At least he went to visit the museum.April 15, 2013 10:20 pm at 10:20 pm #945652writersoulMember
I think it’s harmless, if pretty strange and somewhat disturbing. As someone said above, Anne Frank was a perfectly ordinary girl, and for all we know would have been a “belieber’- but it’s still a really strange thing to say when you’re at the house.April 15, 2013 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm #945653oomisParticipant
I am not a Justin Bieber fan, never was, never will be. BUT – though what he wrote may have been foolish and in questionable taste, it is not worthy of the big gedillah that is being made over it. Had Anne Frank not lived in a country overrun by the Nazis Y”Sh and there had been such a teen idol who was world-famous then, or were she alive as a teen today, she would very likely be a huge fan of his, as are so many female teenybopper in the secular world, Jewish or not.
Anne Frank O”H was very much a typical teen until she was forced into hiding, and even then we can see within her diary the typical angst, thoughts, feelings, hates, and loves that many adolescent girls seem to go through. In that respect, Bieber was probably correct, though he would have been wiser to keep his self-promoting thoughts to himself at such a time and place.April 15, 2013 10:47 pm at 10:47 pm #945654Sam2Participant
Apparently Bieber’s manager is a Conservadox Jew or something like that.April 16, 2013 12:44 am at 12:44 am #945655squeakParticipant
I never heard of the term belieber before this thread. I think a more appropriate term would be beleaguered though. What an idiot, but who cares.April 16, 2013 2:14 am at 2:14 am #945656
squeak- “I never heard of the term belieber before”
never say neverApril 16, 2013 2:37 am at 2:37 am #945657yytzParticipant
It was a well-intentioned but somewhat thoughtless remark — no big deal. This “controversy” seems media-generated.
The Israeli Chabad kabbalist Rabbi Yitzchak Ginsburgh recently wrote an essay on his website encouraging all Jews to read Frank’s autobiography (even charedim who probably wouldn’t normally read it.)April 16, 2013 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm #945659
So why isnt it studied in frum schools ? because she had a crush on peter? all teenagers have crushes.April 16, 2013 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm #945660
Yes, pretty much. Besides the family dynamics and the fact that they were not frum
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