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    TheGoq
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    Story in the tabs today Justin Bieber visits Anne Frank Museum and in the guestbook he writes that if Anne were alive today he hopes she would be a belieber (a term he uses to describe his fans). Dov Hikind was quoted in the Daily News saying it was extremely insensitive thing to do, Abraham Foxman weighed in saying he thinks it was harmless.

    #945634

    apushatayid
    Participant

    How many 80 year old beliebers are there?

    #945635

    playtime
    Member

    It is one thing to like his voice and some of his songs, but to be a beleiber is insane.

    You don’t have to be smart to realize where he’ll be in a couple of years. Or for that matter, where he is.

    #945636

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    I read about it as well, and I thought well of it. Anne Frank was “normal”, and the point was that any teen/preteen alive today could have been Anne Frank. All it takse is for a dictator to get into is head (or more accurately, for Hashem to put in his head) to wipe out a specific group, and there you go.

    It does not make me a “belieber”?, but in general the guy has been pro-yidden & EY. IIRC he ignored some of the boycott calls when he performed (or will perform) in EY (sorry). Good for Yidden in my book.

    #945637

    pou_bear
    Member

    Why are we judging the behavior of an unintelligent pop icon?

    #945638

    yaakov doe
    Participant

    What do you expect from an ignorant child?

    #945639

    playtime
    Member

    gavra- “he ignored some of the boycott calls when he proformed (or will preform) in EY. Good for Yidden in my book.”

    What?- So you think Madonna, and all the others who include Israel on their tour is good for the jews? Maybe they are good n that they don’t incite the opposite/- They said the same thing about Elton John and many others- that despite the threats, they ‘persevere on’ an that they ‘should be lauded’. All they do is reinvigorate the carefreeness there. Elton John- and his ‘husband’. Ridiculous. ‘Good for the Jews’ – jump in the lake.

    #945640

    playtime
    Member

    gavra- did u take ur post down or was it the mods?

    #945641

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    talmud: I did for editing.

    I hear, but disagree. Eretz Yisroel could use all the support it can get.

    #945642

    playtime
    Member

    gavra- “All it takse is for a dictator..”

    All it TAKES. Just helping w/ the editing 🙂

    #945643

    Quite a few musical artists boycott Israel and refuse to perform there because of the “occupation.” Bieber singing in Israel and having the guts to ignore those who distort the truth is actually a pretty big deal. Many famous musicians, from Pink Floyd to Elvis Costello have refused to play in Israel.

    #945644

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    All it TAKES. Just helping w/ the editing 🙂

    Thanks, or should I say thansk 🙂

    #945645

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    Let the official offendees be offended all they want. It’s harmless.

    #945646

    Torah613Torah
    Participant

    I thought it was funny and rather revealing.

    #945647

    PBT
    Member

    It certainly was an insensitive comment on his part, but definitely not out of character for someone of his mindset. He probably didn’t change anybody’s mind one way or the other, so on balance there’s no actual harm done. Those who learn Torah Lishma will remain committed to Hashem and Torah. Those who would be influenced to join some Christianity or some other non-Torah movement would likely have done so anyway. (Which is not meant to condone their choice, but just to state the fact of the matter.)

    #945648

    TheGoq
    Participant

    I don’t think he did anything wrong what he was kinda saying is, if she had lived in this day and age she would have been a normal teenage girl.

    As an aside is Anne Frank’s diary studied in frum schools?

    #945649

    Torah613Torah
    Participant

    The Goq: It wasn’t in mine. I read it as an adult (ironically in a chareidi home in Israel) and understand why.

    #945650

    TheGoq
    Participant

    Torah what do you mean you understand why? can you explain please?

    #945651

    Imaofthree
    Participant

    At least he went to visit the museum.

    #945652

    writersoul
    Member

    I think it’s harmless, if pretty strange and somewhat disturbing. As someone said above, Anne Frank was a perfectly ordinary girl, and for all we know would have been a “belieber’- but it’s still a really strange thing to say when you’re at the house.

    #945653

    oomis
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    I am not a Justin Bieber fan, never was, never will be. BUT – though what he wrote may have been foolish and in questionable taste, it is not worthy of the big gedillah that is being made over it. Had Anne Frank not lived in a country overrun by the Nazis Y”Sh and there had been such a teen idol who was world-famous then, or were she alive as a teen today, she would very likely be a huge fan of his, as are so many female teenybopper in the secular world, Jewish or not.

    Anne Frank O”H was very much a typical teen until she was forced into hiding, and even then we can see within her diary the typical angst, thoughts, feelings, hates, and loves that many adolescent girls seem to go through. In that respect, Bieber was probably correct, though he would have been wiser to keep his self-promoting thoughts to himself at such a time and place.

    #945654

    Sam2
    Participant

    Apparently Bieber’s manager is a Conservadox Jew or something like that.

    #945655

    squeak
    Participant

    I never heard of the term belieber before this thread. I think a more appropriate term would be beleaguered though. What an idiot, but who cares.

    #945656

    playtime
    Member

    squeak- “I never heard of the term belieber before”

    never say never

    #945657

    yytz
    Participant

    It was a well-intentioned but somewhat thoughtless remark — no big deal. This “controversy” seems media-generated.

    The Israeli Chabad kabbalist Rabbi Yitzchak Ginsburgh recently wrote an essay on his website encouraging all Jews to read Frank’s autobiography (even charedim who probably wouldn’t normally read it.)

    #945659

    TheGoq
    Participant

    So why isnt it studied in frum schools ? because she had a crush on peter? all teenagers have crushes.

    #945660

    Torah613Torah
    Participant

    Yes, pretty much. Besides the family dynamics and the fact that they were not frum

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