Are you a Ka'eylah Jew?
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April 6, 2015 4:18 pm at 4:18 pm #1203257midwesternerParticipant
Well Wolf, you’ve been known to talk during laining constantly. So what else should we expect?April 6, 2015 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #1203258The FrumguyParticipant
Hey, WolfishMusings: I thought you yourself were the Ba’al Korei??April 6, 2015 4:46 pm at 4:46 pm #1203259Lefty SoferStamParticipant
I don’t know about a “Ka’eyle Jew” but someone in my shul does karate chops for every trope! (c:
It’s so funny to watch. sometimes he goes along with the baal korey, the baal korey will stop and just stare. (*awkward*) q:April 6, 2015 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #1203260
Hey, WolfishMusings: I thought you yourself were the Ba’al Korei??
I am. Hence the reason I’m guilty in the section I quoted. 🙂
The WolfApril 27, 2016 10:38 pm at 10:38 pm #1203261FriendInFlatbushParticipant
Looks like we have a few more days of fun now.April 28, 2016 11:24 am at 11:24 am #1203262
Thank you for bumping this thread, I’ve been thinking about it since the first day of Pesach and I couldn’t find it
Yasher koachApril 28, 2016 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm #1203263screwdriverdelightParticipant
It’s “Ka’eyleh,” not “Ka’eylah”.April 28, 2016 4:42 pm at 4:42 pm #1203264ubiquitinParticipant
“Looks like we have a few more days of fun now.”
chas vesholom to call a heilige minhag “fun”
There all helige kavanos to be had when saying “Ka’eyleh” The honigkvetcher Rebbe explains Keileh is Roshei teivos for Kivshos hayetzer, Ashiris, Limud Torah, and general heligkeit!
Why do people love knocking minhagim?May 4, 2016 12:50 pm at 12:50 pm #1203265
Our Baal Koreh says Ka’eyleh really loud over the sound of the tzibbur. He also stresses the ‘Oo’ in ???? ??????? ??? ??????? on 2nd day pesach and 1st two days sukkos. And probably on parshas emor, but I haven’t been there yet for that, so I’ll let you know in a few weeks.August 1, 2016 11:46 am at 11:46 am #1203266
Firstly, we had a barmitzvah in our shul this Shabbos, so the tzibur went easy on the boy and the ka’eyleh was rather tame.
Secondly, and this will be interesting for the dikduk people out there. My previous post got the wrong Oo. The correct posuk is ????????????????? ?????????? ????? ?????????. Apparently, ?????????? is the only instance of a dagesh alef in the Torah, and therefore it is stressed. Does anyone know anywhere else where they do that?August 1, 2016 12:42 pm at 12:42 pm #1203267
Apparently, ?????????? is the only instance of a dagesh alef in the Torah, and therefore it is stressed. Does anyone know anywhere else where they do that?
I took a look at that pasuk (V 23:17) and my ArtScroll chumash does not have a dagesh in the aleph there.
I was very surprised to see this post (I missed the original) because an aleph is one of the five letters that, to the best of my knowledge, can NEVER have a dagesh.
Can you provide more info on where you saw that this word should have a dagesh in the aleph?
The WolfAugust 1, 2016 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm #1203268YesOrNoParticipant
The word ???? in ???? ????? is pronounced Yi-roo and not Yir-oo.August 1, 2016 3:39 pm at 3:39 pm #1203269iacisrmmaParticipant
YesOrNo: The word you are quoting did not originate in ???? ????? but is a passuk in Tehillim (Kapitel Lamed Daled Passuk Yud.). While you are correct in that it is not pronounced Yir-oo, it also cannot be Yi-roo ass the nekudah under the Yud is a Sheva and not a chirik.August 3, 2016 1:38 am at 1:38 am #1203270I. M. ShluffinParticipant
A dagesh in an alef is a very rare occurence, but it does happen at least 4 times that I know of (jk, I googled it). One is in the word ????? in the above pasuk in parshas emor which Geordie brought down and the Wolf cited. The second is the word ?????? in mikeitz (?????? ??:??), when Yosef’s brothers came to him a second time, with Binyamin, and they brought Yosef a gift. Another time is in sefer Ezra, ?:??, also with the word ??????, and the last time is in Iyov, ??:??, with the word ???.
“On the pasuk in Emor, Shemen Hamor comments that there is a dagesh in the aleph for the purpose of tiferes halashon, beautification of the language. Minchas Shai notes in Emor that this is one of the alfin degushin, that he speaks about it in more details in Bereishit 2:25, on vayihyu sheneihem arumim, and that he gives the masorah for this in Miketz, on Bereishit 43:26. Read what Minchas Shai has to say in each of these three locations.”
Although I can’t cite my sources with a simple website link, copy and paste will help you find what I found. It’s called parshablog, and the blogger goes into exhaustive detail over the dikduk. It’s REALLY cool.August 4, 2016 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm #1203272
Thank you IMSDecember 19, 2016 9:34 am at 9:34 am #1203273
I had a thought this Shabbos. Why do we all say Ka-eyleh, but we don’t all go Ko-oh-to-ointi in parshas vayishlach? It’s also an Azla-geireish.December 19, 2016 11:57 am at 11:57 am #1203274☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Some Chumashim have it with a R’vi’i.December 19, 2016 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm #1203275
Correct. Our baal koreh read it on Monday with Revi’i, and Thursday and Shabbos morning Azla-geireish. Then he spoke about it at shalosh seudos.
The question still remain for those who do Azla-geireish.December 19, 2016 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm #1203276iacisrmmaParticipant
Geordie13: The reason why Kaeyla is so popular is not the trop of Azla-geireish but that the previous passuk ends with words YAASU ES EILEH. Since the words are similar many people say the last word of the passuk and then the first word of the next passuk.
As for the trop on KATONTI, it is a machlokes and most do not follow the GRA who says the trop is a revii and lein it with an Azla-geireish.December 19, 2016 8:05 pm at 8:05 pm #1203278MenoParticipant
“it’s like he’s holding a piece of chazer on shabbos in the rishus harabim.”
That doesn’t sound so bad. Probably not even assur. Just annoying because you can’t move, or eat it.December 19, 2016 10:08 pm at 10:08 pm #1203279
Artzei Peleh?? Never heard of it? Does it talk about trolls as well?December 19, 2016 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm #1203280
iacisrmma, I like that explanation.April 4, 2018 1:25 pm at 1:25 pm #1502893oyyoyyoyParticipant
It’s been getting worseApril 4, 2018 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm #1503014ubiquitinParticipant
“It’s been getting worse”
Its been getting better
B”H more an more yidden are picking up this inhag vaseiken a teyere minhag that dates back to the time f chazal (though it hasnt been written) There are deep kabalistic kavanas behind the tzibbur saying it together.
soon Siddurim will be printed with kaeyleh in bold reminding the tzibbur of this important minhag.April 8, 2018 7:26 am at 7:26 am #1503408
I miss Ka’eyleh already. How long til Parshas Pinchas?April 11, 2018 7:19 am at 7:19 am #1505013ChaverParticipant
What about the Katointi/קטנתי jews from Parshas Vayishlach?April 28, 2019 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #1720025
Thanks bumper (as of 7:21 the post hasn’t gone through
Every time the בעל קורא said כאלה and I copied him(especially when I was גבאי שני) I thought of this threadApril 28, 2019 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #1720018BMParticipant
I didn’t know about this until this Pesach, for some reason I never picked up on it until this year. I have to admit that I join in with a few words during the repetition if the amidah (like “Kasher Ratzita”) and to me and all the many others in our Shul that do it, it’s part of the enjoyment of the davening. I once was taken to task when I was leading the davening for doing chazanus that didn’t include all the parts that people like to join in with and I made sure I didn’t make that mistake again! My daughter just showed me a video someone shared with her that shows a chazzan in the audience signing “Ka’Eylah” very loudly before the ba’al korei says it and I had to explain to her what it meant, at which point she thought it was very funny (just like I did).April 28, 2019 9:17 pm at 9:17 pm #1720055
I am a Ka’Eyla Yid on Succos (In the middle of maftir I randomly shout out Ka’Ayla – it adds to everyone’s simchas yom tov, even the Rov starts laughing).April 29, 2019 12:36 am at 12:36 am #1720104avreichamshlomoParticipant
Kaeyleh is gematria nu!
No jokeApril 29, 2019 5:52 am at 5:52 am #1720135ZSKParticipant
Being the shul’s Ba’al Kriah, I just stop and let everyone get it out of their systems, then continue.April 29, 2019 10:59 am at 10:59 am #1720184etzharParticipant
Sorry to disappoint. It is definitely only for Pesach.
Every day!April 1, 2021 11:06 am at 11:06 am #1961794YW Moderator-29 👨💻Moderator
This one?April 1, 2021 11:12 am at 11:12 am #1961797
Oh I spelled it k’eyleh instead of ka’eyleh that’s why I couldn’t find it
What a difference an “a” makesApril 1, 2021 3:16 pm at 3:16 pm #1961861
Being the shul’s Ba’al Kriah, I just stop and let everyone get it out of their systems, then continue.
That would drive me nuts. Fortunately, they don’t do it my shul, but if they did, I would just go on. Hopefully, eventually, they would get the message that I’m not putting up with that. 🙂
The WolfApril 2, 2021 12:07 am at 12:07 am #1961979catch yourselfParticipant
I really missed the כאלה אידין last year.
Until Parashas Pinchas, then we got a whole week’s worth in one shot 🙂
Unfortunately, this year I’m with a very serious crowd. While leining on the first day of Yom Tov, I paused for the choir and got a stony silence.April 2, 2021 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #1962085Shimon NodelParticipant
ויקח לו את כל אלה ויוותר אותם בתבך
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