April 14, 2015 1:22 am at 1:22 am #615481shpitzfrumMember
are you oiver “lifnei iver lo setain michshol” by giving an underage person a ciggarete or bottle of wine?April 14, 2015 2:24 am at 2:24 am #1072935👑RebYidd23Participant
What do you think?April 14, 2015 2:43 am at 2:43 am #1072936chayav inish livisumayParticipant
i dont know but you may be killing themApril 14, 2015 3:14 am at 3:14 am #1072937MRS PLONYParticipant
Ask your Rov.April 14, 2015 3:19 am at 3:19 am #1072938👑RebYidd23Participant
Or yourself.April 19, 2015 9:35 pm at 9:35 pm #1072940yentachayaParticipant
Medically, it’s not a question. Alcohol and tobacco are dangerous substances in a child’s body.
Legally, most definitely. They are underage and can get in big trouble with the law.
Halachically, ask your LOR.April 20, 2015 11:38 am at 11:38 am #1072941147Participant
are you oiver “lifnei iver lo setain michshol” by giving …?,/em> If the poor [wo]man collecting is still going to buy cigarettes with the Tzedoko you give him/her, you are absolutely being oiver “lifnei iver lo setain michshol”, since you are assisting this fellow in his/her bid to commit suicide R’L.April 20, 2015 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm #1072942sonMember
Why would you think there’s any less lifnei iver if you buy someone of age a pack?April 20, 2015 1:28 pm at 1:28 pm #1072943eric55Participant
Im not a poisek but i dont see lifnei iver being relevant in this case. lifnei iver is putting a stumbling block in front of someone who is totally oblivious to his surroundings. I would liken it to intentionally giving someone bad business advice or any bad advice. If someone is asking you for a cigarette he already smokes and knows the dangers i cant see lifnei iver maybe something else. I would liken this to putting a stumbling block in front of someone who can see and in stead of walking around it he intentionally trips overs itApril 20, 2015 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm #1072944☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Eric, there are (at least) two categories of lifnei iver.
1) Bad advice
2) Helping do an issur
The second type of lifnei iver applies even when the person is aware of the issur.April 20, 2015 3:31 pm at 3:31 pm #1072945akupermaParticipant
Is there a halachic issue with drinking or smoking (at proper times, of course)? Current science generally disapproves of tobacco (that wasn’t always the case, people were prescribed use of tobacco products as recently as the 20th century), and alcohol is still suggested by many reputable physicians. Neither substance is banned in the United States, meaning the Congress and state legislatures have considered the matter and believe their use should be lawful (whereas marijuana is banned by federal statute). Is this an issue of Dina malchusa dina (the American laws ban these to minors)? As long as a kid is older enough to know what alcohol and tobacco are, how is this analagous to a “blind” person.April 20, 2015 4:52 pm at 4:52 pm #1072946theprof1Participant
There’s a big difference between alcohol and smoking. Are you not allowed to give a child wine from kiddush? Or even a little extra. Are you oiver lifnei iver by giving a 17 year a shot of whiskey? Does age here make a difference? Giving anybody a cigarette may qualify as lifnei iver since it’s widely accepted, but ignored by smokers, that smoking is quite unhealthy. Alcohol, on the other hand, is only harmful if its use is abusive.
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