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    goody goody
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    I have never posted anything before but after viewing the statement from the anti vaxxers in Williamsburg I must say I am quite appalled. The first thought that comes to mind is “are you people out of your mind?” Do you not realize the incredible Chillul Hashem you are causing worldwide? Not to mention the spreading of this vicious disease to several countries and putting people in the hospital. What’s the point of being “frummer than others”if you are spreading poison about jews on media. I am embarrassed in front of my non jewish coworkers who ask me why the Chassidim don’t vaccinate. You should all be ashamed of yourselves!!

    #1713351

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    I could chat all day about hating on anti-vaxxers, but I hate to break it to you: these ones are still probably more frum than you.

    If being really really really stupid pasul’d a person from being frum, the Orthodox population count would be much different. Nobody said you have to be a genius or never make mistakes to be frum. Their religiosity is not what’s in question here.

    #1713362

    Joseph
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    Over 90% of Chasidim vaccinate. The foolish people giving those interviews represent only a tiny minority of Chasidim.

    #1713381

    Takes2-2tango
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    You have a legitimate complaint on individuals in Williamsburg, but i hate to say it, goyim are misinformed about who the anti vaxxers are. Its not a Jewish invention.
    These anti vaxxers are located worldwide. They include the amish, litvaks, modern ortho, dutch , british, the mormons, plain every day goyim.
    In williamsburg it happens to be many chassidim , but they are a fraction of a fringe of the world. And they dont represent anyone but themselves.

    #1713412

    apushatayid
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    ” I am embarrassed in front of my non jewish coworkers who ask me why the Chassidim don’t vaccinate”

    Why? Every group has its crazies, yidden are no different. The press isnt looking for soundbites from those who do vaccinate, nor do they speak to rabbonim or other community leaders. they are only intrested in the soundbites that feed the ever growing appetite for sensationalism that their viewers crave.

    #1713464

    lakewhut
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    It’s tiring to have to explain them.

    #1713461

    iacisrmma
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    ” I am embarrassed in front of my non jewish coworkers who ask me why the Chassidim don’t vaccinate”. I was asked the question by a gentile co-worker, I answered just like I dont dress like them I dont think like them on this issue.

    #1713459

    Joseph, Is it comforting to say “Over 90% vaccinate”?

    1. Where is this statistic from?

    2. Who qualifies as “chassidim”? Many Litvish Yeshoivos have large numbers of chassidic boys.

    3. Is it not possible that the vast majority of “chassidim” have 100% compliance, while certain specific groups “the problem chassidim” have a near ZERO compliance?

    4. 10% non-compliance is huge! It would mean that statistically, EVERY single classroom of 20-30 students has 2-3 un-vaxxed students! Every simcha of 150 – 250 people has 15-25 un-vaxxed attendants! At a wedding, each table of 10 has one person sitting at your table! Every minyan, store, bakery, resturant..has people that could spread the disease. Yidden don’t live on farms with very little social contact – we interact and our lives intermingle.
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    #1713502

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    ” I was asked the question by a gentile co-worker, I answered just like I dont dress like them I dont think like them on this issue.”

    Good to see that rather than responding with facts, you’d prefer to just throw fellow yidden under the bus because they aren’t like you. The measles outbreaks were in Lakewood and Monsey, I believe, before they were in Williamsburg. The only reason people think this is a Chassidishe problem is because the goyishe media doesn’t know how to differentiate between various types of Orthodox.

    To your credit, one thing you said is accurate. You certainly don’t think like a Chossid…

    #1713510

    👑RebYidd23
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    If these people want to believe that vaccines are bad, that’s fine. But they don’t get to distort my religion to claim that it supports their position.

    #1713544

    goody goody
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    I have a baby that is too young to vaccinated. It is unfair that I should be nervous when in public just because a large group of people are misinformed about vaccines.

    #1713555

    Yabia Omer
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    The Jews used to be an enlightened people. Oy.

    #1713557

    iacisrmma – ” just like I dont dress like them I dont think like them on this issue.”

    I was taken aback by your comment.

    Haman (and every goy) says “yeshno am echad mefuzar u’meforod”, even goyim know that we are all one nation, we may be spread out and have differences but all recognize that we are one. Yet you say “them and us”.

    Ture, yidden sometimes behave badly, but does that allow us to be “poresh min hatzibur”?

    It is ok to say “ein dayosayhem shovos”, no two people think alike. Indeed Chazal say, just as their faces are not alike, so too their dayos are not alike.

    But I am taken aback when you base your comment on their levush, which is their yiddish custom,. The comment seems in line with “lochem v’lo lo” (it is them but not me).

    #1713703

    Joseph
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    Mr. Rebbetzin: This is the first time in living memory that I agree with you.

    Rabbi Joseph

    P.S. I just had to, y’know? 😉

    #1714053

    Rabba Joseph, MAy you have a lengthy living memory. The Rabbitt Zen

    #1714098

    ubiquitin
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    is Rebbitzen Mrs. Joseph?

    #1714471

    ubiquitin – you are a genius!! (But we are having a bit of sholom bayis problems).

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