Arkansas Gov. Sanders signs law loosening child labor protections

so leave Arkansas and move to Chicago or New York, and the people in Arkansas do what they think is best !

Jackk
Here’s some numbers. Average national competency for math 38%. In New York where I live 57% of high school students are deemed “college ready“
When I graduated high school. I was college ready with the two hours a day of secular studies I got. Yet somehow a huge percentage of high schoolers can’t seem to get there. We can blame the system, Parents, culture, etc..
But isn’t it more logical to put people to work rather than waste their lives in endless failures in the educational system?
Isn’t it better for their self esteem to be producing rather than constantly feeling as a failure?
Wouldn’t it be better for the serious students if the frustrated and trouble making students were out of the system?

Good for the governor for getting government out the way. When my then-teenaged daughter wanted to get a summer job I had to take time off work to go to the local public school (which she did not attend) to have them issue working papers. What benefit did this serve? If a 14 year old is allowed to work in an office, have the business verify her age the same way they verified her eligibility to work in the US.

And by the way, appropriate child labor is great for the child. They learn responsibility and develop confidence, and once they see how little they bring home from their minimum wage job they discover that education, learning a skilled trade, or becoming an entrepreneur will take them where they want to go in life.

Better to work than to get brainwashed by the LGBT propaganda machine that you call an education

I have very strong feelings about the weakening of child labor laws by states. My mother started to work in the sweatshops at the age of 7 as a immigrant child. By the time the FLSA was enacted she was an adult. The was long before ‘woke’ became a dog whistle for the right.

AAQ, I cannot minimize the evils of child labor like you do. My life experience, not just my family’s, leads me to far different conclusions.

Amil,
just consider what are/were alternatives for these children. If they were deprived of something to become laborers is one thing, but if they live in some remote Indian/Chinese/Burmese villages and their alternative is starvation, then maybe child labor is a step to a better future?

My son can’t be a jc (junior counselor) in camp this year because he will be 1 month short or 14 when the second half of camp starts

He wants to work so he can make money
We want him to work because it will teach him responsibility
The camp wants him to work because he used to be a camper and they know him

This is what is probably being permitted in Arkansas, not forced child labor like the democrats want you to believe

a double miracle, agree with a marxist and a krugman. Possibly the same person.

Jackk
“That is seriously misguided and evil. The defense of using child labor is what capitalist’s dream about.
It is anti-torah , totally corrupt and completely unethical.“

Since 13 is the basic age of majority, wouldn’t the Torah have no problem with putting a 13 yr old to work?
And since giving a job to someone is considered the highest form of tzedakah wouldn’t such a person be a baal tzedakah and not an evil capitalist?

Mentch 1: Irrespective of being bnai/bnos mitzvah, the issue of child-labor turns on the nature of the work and risks involved. A 13 YO is certainly capable of doing certain work and learning valuable job skills and responsibility but clearly daas torah couldn’t have contemplated having a child of that age working in a coal mine or in a meat processing plant.

Gadol
Just to play devils advocate
why is it better/more fair to have an adult in those places?
Many boys that age are larger/stronger than full grown women who we would allow in those jobs

Amil, apparently great depression was a catalyst of children – who were first to become unemployed – to go to school as they had nothing else to do, leading to official recognition of “teenagers” as having their own status and privilege of not working.

If you Google the law it doesn’t seem to have changed too much of arkansas (?) law.
According to NPR: Under the Youth Hiring Act of 2023, children under 16 don’t have to get the Division of Labor’s permission to be employed. The state also no longer has to verify the age of those under 16 before they take a job. The law doesn’t change the hours or kinds of jobs kids can work.
“The Governor believes protecting kids is most important, but this permit was an arbitrary burden on parents to get permission from the government for their child to get a job,” Sanders’ communications director Alexa Henning said in a statement to NPR. “All child labor laws that actually protect children still apply and we expect businesses to comply just as they are required to do now.”
Workers under 16 in Arkansas have had to get these permits for decades.
Supporters of the new law say it gets rid of a tedious requirement, streamlines the hiring process, and allows parents — rather than the government — to make decisions about their children.
But opponents say the work certificates protected vulnerable youth from exploitation.
“It was wild to listen to adults argue in favor of eliminating a one-page form that helps the Department of Labor ensure young workers aren’t being exploited,” the group Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families wrote about the law in a legislative session recap.

So basically a useless law to have a useless form was knocked out. Mazel Tov. And then someone came and said “she is working to ensnare kids in dangerous jobs and sentencing them to a lifetime of being uneducated.” Genius.
The most coherent Tainah I found was this on Axios: “Joshua Price, deputy director of immigrant advocacy group Arkansas United, told legislators requiring the forms makes it easier for the government to hold violators accountable. The process is an added layer of protection that makes it harder for an employer under investigation for hiring someone underage to claim ignorance.”
So basically he’s saying that it will make a prosecutors job slightly easier if you have this form. I can’t imagine Sanders has in mind that she doesn’t care about kids so she might as well make it a tiny bit harder to prosecute companies that break the child labor laws.
I hope jakk didn’t do even a basic Google search before starting this thread, because if he did then this thread is just a huge troll.