Asking for a Good Year

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  • September 7, 2010 5:36 am at 5:36 am #592304
    kapusta
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    The way I see things, most people don’t get punished (on this world) for their actions. “Tzaddik v’ra lo…” backs up that theory. What then is the purpose of Davening for a good year, or the Simanim?

    September 7, 2010 6:46 am at 6:46 am #694758
    WIY
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    Kapusta,

    Most people are not Tzaddikim. That doesn’t mean they aren’t good people but as the Gemara says Beinonim.

    September 7, 2010 2:17 pm at 2:17 pm #694759
    SJSinNYC
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    Just because you have good on this world, doesn’t mean you won’t have good in the world to come.

    September 7, 2010 7:30 pm at 7:30 pm #694760
    the.nurse
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    Because you have the power to change ‘bad’ decrees that are destined for you, with the proper davening.

    September 7, 2010 8:31 pm at 8:31 pm #694761
    kapusta
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    Most people are not Tzaddikim. That doesn’t mean they aren’t good people but as the Gemara says Beinonim.

    But if people aren’t being punished on this world, does it make a difference how they act? Why should they think they won’t have a good year?

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    Maybe my question wasn’t so clear. If Tzaddik v’rah lo is the “way of the world” then why should we daven for a good year? Why should someone think they won’t have a good year? Tzaddikim are davening but they have an understanding that its yissurim shel ahava, or that they’re suffering for the Klal etc and anyone else should be having the good life.

    Hope I made myself clearer.

    Thanks.

    *kapusta*

    September 7, 2010 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #694762
    blinky
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    Just because “tzaddik vrah lo” it does not mean that every tzaddik has yissurim!

    September 7, 2010 8:48 pm at 8:48 pm #694763
    kapusta
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    But why should the average joe think he wont have a good year. He is not a tzaddik so he has no reason to think he won’t have a good year.

    Related question: Is everyone who suffers a tzaddik? In line with TVL, if someone is suffering, is that proof hes a tzaddik?

    *kapusta*

    September 7, 2010 8:54 pm at 8:54 pm #694764
    blinky
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    Im not sure im understanding- Tzadik vrah lo does not mean that only tzaddikim can have it bad, it means that they can have bad- not all tzaddikim have bad, and ppl that are not tzaddikim can have it bad tto.

    September 7, 2010 9:01 pm at 9:01 pm #694765
    kapusta
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    Im not sure im understanding- Tzadik vrah lo does not mean that only tzaddikim can have it bad, it means that they can have bad- not all tzaddikim have bad, and ppl that are not tzaddikim can have it bad tto.

    TVL ends off rasha v’tov lo. People that are not tzaddikim can have it bad, but does it happen? How often do rishaim have a terrible life?

    *kapusta*

    September 7, 2010 9:05 pm at 9:05 pm #694766
    so right
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    27.3% of the time.

    you wanted a figure or something else?

    September 7, 2010 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #694767
    blinky
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    who says reshaim don’t have a bad life? Rasha v’tov lo- again, reshaim CAN have it bad- its not a general rule that all reshaim have it good.

    September 7, 2010 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #694768
    kapusta
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    I cant think of too many rishaim that have a terrible, terrible life. But, I readily admit that my perception of things may be off.

    *kapusta*

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