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  • #602782

    Feif Un
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    In another thread, there was the following post:

    “According to Sam, and others (MO, like Feif) everything we do as Jews can and should be questioned. Because, as they will explain, as long as G-d Himself didn’t say to do it <b>this</b> way, the MO will ask why don’t we do it <i>that</i> way. (Or do it at all.) it’s their attitude towards yiddishkite.”

    My answer to this, is YES! I was always taught that Judaism is the one religion that actually ENCOURAGES questions, because the answers are there. There is absolutely no problem with asking why we do something a certain way. Is that a MO attitude towards Judaism? I hope so, as it’s the proper way. It is definitely MY attitude towards Judaism.

    #866171

    Derech
    Member

    The author of that post didn’t mean question as in simply asking a question. He meant challenge our Mesorah in how one lives their life.

    #866172

    soliek
    Member

    the difference between teh rasha and the chacham was the way the question was asked

    #866173

    MDG
    Participant

    I think it depends on what you ask and – more importantly – how you ask.

    The Chacham and Rasha ask almost the same question. The nuance makes a big difference.

    I’m not asserting or implying anything about MO or any other group or person.

    #866174

    Chacham
    Participant

    We ask questions because we know we are discussing emes. If so there has to be a pshat. We are not looking at a gemara critically. many times Rishoonim and achronim do not answer their questions rather leave it at a tzarich iyun- which means It needs to be looked into. Not once do they say it must be the gemara was written by a bunch of fools. So you can ask all you want as long as you know you are dealing with the emes and you might not have a pshat.

    #866175

    Toi
    Participant

    he means- if we have a mesorah and an established approach to something, then questioning is bad. if you dont undertsnad something, questioning is good. and MO seems to do the former. if youre fine with that than great.

    #866176

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Anyone who asks questions deserves to have their kid edited

    #866177

    apushatayid
    Participant

    why doesnt he explain what he means instead of everything guessing?

    #866178

    Chacham
    Participant

    what does the chacham have to do with anything

    #866179

    writersoul
    Member

    Popa, the first time it was funny (maybe– even that’s debatable). After a while (even only a couple times) it becomes stale.

    Can’t you find a new line?

    #866180

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    Is Chacham really Joseph? He doesn’t sound like him at all…

    #866181

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Popa, the first time it was funny (maybe– even that’s debatable). After a while (even only a couple times) it becomes stale.

    Can’t you find a new line?

    I hold that doing something which was controversially funny again, is funny in its own right. Because I’m referring back to the controversy.

    #866182

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    Chacham is not really Joseph. I can vouch for him.

    #866183

    Chacham
    Participant

    oneofmany- yeah I was kind of wondering the same thing. MAybe someone could enlighten me how I became a joseph?

    #866184

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    Probably because you linked to a really old post which Joseph commented on and have been here for like five years and have a suspicious profile page.

    #866185

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    Well, I don’t think you’re Joseph, so whatever. But it will probably take a long time for the subtitle to come off…maybe we ahould start a plea thread?

    #866186

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    Go for it.

    #866187

    Chacham
    Participant

    OOM- It does not bother me at all. It actually makes me more noticed. Let’s just hope I am not blocked

    #866188

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    lol then we’ll leave it. If you get blocked we’ll start the thread.

    #866189

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    Hehe. Your subtitle should read, “wants people to think he’s Joseph.” Mods?

    #866190

    Derech
    Member

    How would you even know if he’s blocked? If there’s a subtitle it doesn’t say blocked.

    #866191

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    …if he suddenly stops posting?

    #866192

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Hey, why does this remind remind me of something?

    #866193

    mdd
    Member

    Sometimes, things are done in a certain way, and it is a shevere chumra or a shvere kula. And it was started in times of the Achronim. And it is not good to continue to do it.

    #866194

    Feif Un
    Participant

    Toi: even if there is an established mesorah, there is nothing wrong with questioning. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to understand why we do what we do.

    As for Chacham, I remember some of his older posts, and I believe that yes, he is Joseph. He’s probably just trying to cover up now so he doesn’t get banned again. Watch out for him!

    #866195

    Chacham
    Participant

    Joseph is like Snowball from animal farm.

    Check my posts and decide whether I follow Joseph’s point of view.

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/profile/well-well

    #866196

    yitzchokm
    Participant

    It’s not about the actual question, it’s the believe that the hanhaga can be changed due to the current popular perception of what’s right.

    Questioning to understand is correct. But we must remember and believe that even when we don’t understand that we MUST continue believing in and doing our mesorah.

    Another underlining concept is that there are meny reasons for our traditions. The gamura may give a reason, but it doesn’t mean there aren’t any others. It is not up to us to determine this. Unless we KNOW otherwise (via a proclamation from the rabunnim,) we MUST continue believeing that our mesorah is relevant, true, and valid.

    #866197

    Feif Un
    Participant

    yitzchokm: If that’s the case, then why don’t we sprinkle cumin on a baby after the bris?

    #866198

    Sam2
    Participant

    Yitchokm: It’s not that Hanhaga can be changed based on current popular perception, it’s that maybe it can be changed due to new circumstances or a new understanding of Rishonim. Poskim are Mechadesh all the time and are sometimes even sure enough of that to Pasken by it. And we change Hanhaga. There are plenty of places we’re Machmir in Yoreh De’ah because we don’t know technical definitions anymore. Or people who decided to stop eating Gebrochts. Or plenty of other examples. There is no reason why things like MBP should be inherently different from those, even if in reality there is a different conclusion. But there’s no reason not to ask and look into it.

    #866199

    yitzchokm
    Participant

    Feif-

    Correct. The gedolem understood that the reason wasn’t valed any more. They understood the real reason and where able to say “no more”

    #866200

    Feif Un
    Participant

    yitzchokm: Not entirely – they didn’t do away with it, they just changed it. The cumin was thought to promote healing. They replaced the cumin with others things. Nowadays, we put antibiotic ointment on the bandage.

    Just as gedolim then said ok, this can change, there are some gedolim now who are saying metzitzah needs to change. Metzitzah, according to the Chasam Sofer, is done only to promote healing. It has the same status as the cumin bandage. If a safer way is found, there is nothing wrong with switching.

    #866201

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    What Mesorah is there to eat Glatt Kosher , To Learn in Kollel forever or for Everyone to have a Lulav and Estrog

    #866202

    Sam2
    Participant

    Rav Schachter raises a bigger issue. Since Metzitzah, as far as we know, is only for healing, and since that healing is taken care of by other means nowadays, why are we allowed to do Metzitzah on Shabbos? It should be a Chiyuv Skilah.

    #866203

    Feif Un
    Participant

    zahavasdad: I agree with you! Glatt kosher is a relatively new thing for everyone to be strict about. I eat only Glatt because it’s readily available, and if you can do better, then why not? If there was no Glatt available, then things might change. I really can’t say for sure, as I’ve never had to deal with it. But chas v’shalom to say that non-glatt meat isn’t kosher!

    As for kollel, I agree, people shouldn’t be doing it.

    For arba minim, when I was single, my father told me there was no reason for me to have my own lulav and esrog, and I could easily borrow one – whether his or someone else’s. He said if I wanted one, I could pay for it myself. I did so more out of peer pressure when I was young – everyone else had one, and I felt weird being the only one over bar mitzvah without one.

    Maybe one reason that everyone gets one is it must be yours. Yes, in Europe, very often there was only one per town. But that was because they weren’t readily available for everyone. If you must have one that belongs to you, and it is readily available, then why not get one?

    A thought that just occurred to me is that a huge percentage of esrogim come from Israel. Maybe the founding of the state of Israel helped in allowing everyone to get their own?

    #866204

    Toi
    Participant

    feif- wanting to understand is fine, but as said above, critical questioning, not trying to farshtey, is wrong, and seems to be what you mean. youre not asking pshat, youre asking mihaichah taise, lets do it differently because i want to.

    #866205

    mdd
    Member

    Fief un, the story with the Kollel is the same as with the Arba minim — there was not an opportunity. Now. ther is.

    Toi, see my previous post.

    #866206

    Toi
    Participant

    mdd- ive no idea what you mean to shtel tzu.

    zdad- your ability to bring in things with no shaychis is astounding.

    #866207

    giggle girl
    Participant

    Any questioning has an answer in Yiddishkeit. We might not know the answers to every question, but there is at least one answer to each question. Don’t get me wrong. It’s not right to ask in a rebellious way or any inappropriate way. However, there is always an answer.

    #866208

    Sam2
    Participant

    Rav Schachter says that the difference between Judaism and other religions is that we encourage any and all questions. This is because we know that Judaism is Emes so we have no reason to fear any question at all. (With the exception of the questions mentioned in the beginning of the second Perek of Chagigah. This is not because we don’t know the answers, but rather because the answers are beyond human comprehension.)

    #866209

    Logician
    Participant

    “but there is at least one answer to each question.”

    ??

    #866210

    Any questioning has an answer in Yiddishkeit. We might not know the answers to every question, but there is at least one answer to each question. Don’t get me wrong. It’s not right to ask in a rebellious way or any inappropriate way. However, there is always an answer.

    Christianity also does, they just don’t know any of the answers. You can’t claim we’re special if you can’t answer the questions.

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