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June 25, 2020 6:35 pm at 6:35 pm #1876709🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
Nom- i think we may both be wrong on those pointsJune 25, 2020 7:09 pm at 7:09 pm #1876716
Proper. What does that mean? Not every case is the same. I was in a car that the was let go. Above you wrote that the Officer chased him so he would not have to use a ‘deadly weapon’. Unless that meant the taser. Which leaves an Officer chasing an armed suspect who just shook him like dust to tell him nicely that he is under arrest. Maybe you think we need more cops like this. To me , it is clear that he has no clue how to actually fight crime.June 25, 2020 8:00 pm at 8:00 pm #1876739JosephParticipant
N0m: A police officer has either the obligation or certainly the authority to arrest a drunk driver. If the drunk driver resists arrest the police officer needs to enforce the arrest with physical means. And the resisting arrest criminal is responsible for what happens.
And if a criminal grabs and obtains an officer’s weapon, the officer is absolutely obligated to retrieve it however necessary.
These two heroic officers did everything BY THE BOOK. By the book under police regulations and under the law. They deserve an award for removing a criminal from the streets.June 25, 2020 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #1876783
nOmesorah -“It seems like you think the role of law enforcement is to nit pick every infraction until everyone is registered in the criminal databases.”
No, I think cops should at least Stop Drunk Driving.
“They should be out on the streets finding people who would not resist, and cite them for blocking their own driveway or spitting in public.”
That would be a Big Waste of Taxpayers Money.
“There is no requirement to arrest people who have driven drunk, and are sleeping it off in the car.”
Again the police were called because the car was blocking a business.
Then they did an investigation.
Just because the US is Full of Anarchists, doesn’t Mean the Cops were Wrong!
“I looked it up. There is no way you could arrest someone to see if they committed a crime”
It’s Not called Arresting, it’s called Detaining. They do this All the Time. Go ask a criminal Lawyer & they’ll Explain it to YOU!June 26, 2020 3:17 pm at 3:17 pm #1877035
” A police officer has either the obligation or certainly the authority to arrest a drunk driver. If the drunk driver resists arrest the police officer needs to enforce the arrest with physical means. And the resisting arrest criminal is responsible for what happens.
And if a criminal grabs and obtains an officer’s weapon, the officer is absolutely obligated to retrieve it however necessary.”
Yes! Yes! Agreed!
It was their discretion to book him. Once he resisted, they hesitated way to much and he made fools of them. If you pull a taser do not yell your are going to get tased. Tase him as fast as you can. That is what it is meant for. Do not check if he is still struggling. Hold him down until he is cuffed. Once he get the taser you have to stop him while you have the chance. Stand your ground and get a good shot. Chasing him was absolutely the stupidest part.There was no chance of one cop subduing him. Once he gets away, do not shoot at people in a
Why did this happen? Too much hesitation, again and again. Probably because of what was going on around the country. They tried to be nice so there would be no trouble. The suspect was ready to resist. (What a thug. The cop is being nice, and he still did not want to be arrested.) The cops had fooled only themselves. They could not get over their mistake, until they were being shot at.
This is the problem with excessive policing. These officers were no match for the suspect. They relied on his compliance. If you need his help to arrest him, than just give him a warning and put his name into the system. Unless, there is a danger in letting him go. Then it is the Police’s duty to use whatever means, to stop the suspect immediately. In sum, if there is false incentive to arrest people (To pay court fees and bail. Religious or racial oppression. ) then routine arrests become deadly, due to the suspicion of the populace. Once the cop set his intent to arrest (or book) irrespective of the crime, it is just a drop of resistance away from a death struggle. Largely because the suspects are well endowed to resist and the Police are poorly trained. I do not fault the Police. This is their job description, though it should not be.I fault the city councils and DA’s that mak a career of it.June 26, 2020 3:18 pm at 3:18 pm #1877037
I do not think the Officers where wrong. Just incompetent.June 26, 2020 4:46 pm at 4:46 pm #1877058charliehallParticipant
If the victim were a frum Jew everyone here would be calling for capital murder charges against the cops.June 26, 2020 5:28 pm at 5:28 pm #1877068🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
I disagree strongly. And i disagree with your assumption that we operate that way.June 26, 2020 6:31 pm at 6:31 pm #1877086SchnitzelBigotParticipant
We defended a guy in Florida who murdered a cop so we do operate that way. I still think that Hall’s comment is irrelevant. Just because someone is highly emotional and biased against Law Enforcement in his particular community doesn’t mean that he cannot comprehend with an outsiders view how Law Enforcemebt interacts with other communities.June 26, 2020 7:41 pm at 7:41 pm #1877095JosephParticipant
SB: That’s false. We did not defend a guy in FL who murdered a cop. We tried to reduce the punishment from capital punishment to life imprisonment. We did not at all defend him at trial or in public for any aspect prior to the punishment question, despite the fact that he wasn’t even the trigger-man, but was a thief who was associated with the actual killer. And even that much was based on hearsay by a convict trying to save himself by blaming him; the facts of that case were never clear.June 26, 2020 8:39 pm at 8:39 pm #18770992scentsParticipant
“ If the victim were a frum Jew everyone here would be calling for capital murder charges against the cops.”
Thats pure assumption and some would argue the opposite.
We had a number of recent attacks specifically targeting jews, yet the response from the community was civil and not what you would expect if it were the other way around. So your negative assumption, is just that.June 27, 2020 11:32 pm at 11:32 pm #1877202
“If the victim were a frum Jew everyone here would be calling for capital murder charges against the cops”
Well like this, if the Perp was a Liberal Jew, I’d say Hang the Perp. If the Jew was Normal – he wouldn’t have resisted.
You posted many times that your Rabbi was arrested. Did he EVER resist or Steal the Cop’s Weapon?!?June 27, 2020 11:51 pm at 11:51 pm #1877208
You have some of the most bizarre uses of the word ‘Liberal’.June 27, 2020 11:52 pm at 11:52 pm #1877209
In Georgia it is called ‘Malice Murder Charges’. And it is not applicable here, because the issue is misconduct, not racism.
Your point is not popular. Even if there is some truth to it. I am doing some soul searching if I want it to be true or not. Nice moral question.June 28, 2020 1:04 pm at 1:04 pm #1877374
nOmesorah -“Even if there is some truth to it. I am doing some soul searching if I want it to be true or not. Nice moral question.”
It’s an IMMORAL Question. Because No Frum Jews act that way!
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