September 20, 2021 12:33 pm at 12:33 pm #2009182MindfulParticipant
There was finally a study on the safety of the covid vaccine in pregnancy, it was published in New England Journal of Medicine. 104 out of 827 participants experienced a spontaneous abortion an! Please look it up https://www. nejm. org/doi/full/10.1056/nejme2107070
We are only beginning to find out the consequences of these vaccines. We still have no data how it effects the fetuses that did survive.September 20, 2021 12:46 pm at 12:46 pm #2009194🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
So here’s why I lose respect for people who try to intimidate people into following them. I think everyone should check with their ob about the safety of the vaccine, but while your at it ask your ob how many pregnancies spontaneously end up in miscarriage. The answer, oddly enough, is 1 in 8.September 20, 2021 12:59 pm at 12:59 pm #20092002scentsParticipant
It would be nice if people check the article for themselves. once you’re at it, you can check the report by Shimabukuro et al. which the article is based upon.
Preliminary findings did not show obvious safety signals among pregnant persons who received mRNA Covid-19 vaccines.”
A little information is a dangerous thing.September 20, 2021 1:40 pm at 1:40 pm #2009205ubiquitinParticipant
What do you mean finally?
This study is months old and has been mentioned here.
Thank you for bringing attention to it, as it is an important step in showing the safety of the vaccine in pregnancy.
What I find confusing though is the scary headline. You seem to have accidently forgotten to mention “Calculated proportions of pregnancy and neonatal outcomes appeared similar to incidences published in the peer-reviewed literature ”
Did you not read that part?
Are you trying to mislead and scare people? If so arent you worried that someone willl call you out on it?September 20, 2021 1:40 pm at 1:40 pm #2009206avrahParticipant
Look at the rate of spontaneous abortion prior to the vaccine. It is close to 15%, which is basically the same numbers.September 20, 2021 2:04 pm at 2:04 pm #2009207provaxxParticipant
From the NEJM article: “A total of 96 of 104 spontaneous abortions (92.3%) occurred before 13 weeks of gestation.”September 20, 2021 2:04 pm at 2:04 pm #2009210Genius15Participant
That article does not show a causal connection, CLOWN.September 20, 2021 2:04 pm at 2:04 pm #2009211Reb EliezerParticipantSeptember 20, 2021 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #2009228GadolhadorahParticipant
The wording of this thread is borderline irresponsible. It was mentioned weeks ago when the issue of infertility, miscarriage etc. initially surfaced and dismissed by OB/GYN experts from both the U.S. and EY. Rates of miscarriage were NOT statistically different between vaccinated/non-vaccinated pregnant mothers after cohort groups were normalized for other risk factors.September 20, 2021 6:38 pm at 6:38 pm #2009230yaakov doeParticipant
The generally accepted figure regardless of vaccination is that 10% to 20% of pregnancies result in miscarriages. The rate among women who have been vaccinated is no different.
The antivaxers are endangering lives with their false information.September 22, 2021 11:48 pm at 11:48 pm #2009426akupermaParticipant
That is not a significant piece of data unless you determine, using similar definitions, how many women had miscarriages without taking the covid vaccine, and making sure that the two samples of data are identical in terms of whether and when the women in question had Covid (from medical histories and antibody testing). Otherwise you are comparing “apples and oranges” and any conclusions are not to be taken seriously.September 23, 2021 8:30 am at 8:30 am #2009470Avi KParticipant
On the contrary, the women passed on antibodies to their babies. Regarding safety, see “The COVID-19 Vaccine and Pregnancy: What You Need to Know” put out online by Johns Hopkins University.September 23, 2021 3:36 pm at 3:36 pm #2009662
I don’t remember seeing an OP so thoroughly and blatantly debunked.
Any response from the OP?September 23, 2021 4:23 pm at 4:23 pm #2009669The little I knowParticipant
And I suggest that the Mods take this thread down completely. The very headline is misinformation.September 23, 2021 8:41 pm at 8:41 pm #2009709sarirayParticipant
First of all the study in the journal of medicine was retracted for misinformation and misleading statements. The conclusion of the study was that there were not any obvious dangers but more study was needed to determine this fully. Furthermore a non reliable source of data was used- namely a self reported survey of under 1000 women. Also there was sleight of hand regarding the total numbers as they were combined in a way to look like the risk was comparable to regular pregnancies which it was not. After it was analyzed by other scientists it was retracted because the conclusion was obviously inaccurate and blatantly false.September 23, 2021 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm #2009720
After it was analyzed by other scientists it was retracted because the conclusion was obviously inaccurate and blatantly false.
They redid the numbers and it was still in the expected range.
The authors reply: Sun appropriately raises questions about the proportion of women reporting spontaneous abortion in our recent article. We agree that the denominator used in that proportion — 827 completed pregnancies — is not an appropriate denominator for the calculation of a risk estimate or rate.
The number of spontaneous abortions (104) reflects data reported by the participants as of March 30, 2021, during telephone follow-up. In this preliminary report, follow-up information was missing for the majority of pregnancies in which exposure to vaccination occurred in early pregnancy. Among the 1224 women who had been vaccinated before conception or in the first trimester, follow-up through 20 weeks of gestation had been completed for only 204 pregnancies that were known to be ongoing and for 1 pregnancy that resulted in stillbirth. Among the pregnancies that had not yet reached 20 weeks of gestation, there were 10 pregnancies with other outcomes before 20 weeks of gestation, including 8 ectopic pregnancies and 2 induced abortions. For the other 905 pregnancies, follow-up had not occurred to establish whether these pregnancies were ongoing past 20 weeks of gestation. We have amended Table 4 in our earlier publication and have clarified the text.
Subsequently, we completed telephone follow-up for the 905 pregnancies and enrolled additional persons in the v-safe pregnancy registry. To determine the cumulative risk of spontaneous abortion from 6 to less than 20 weeks of gestation, we used life-table methods to perform an updated analysis, now reported in the Journal, involving 2456 women who received at least one dose of an mRNA Covid-19 vaccine before conception or before 20 weeks of gestation.1 The estimated risks (14.1% overall and 12.8% in age-standardized analyses) are consistent with the risks of spontaneous abortion reported in the general population.1
Dana M. Meaney-Delman, M.D.
Sascha R. Ellington, Ph.D.
Tom T. Shimabukuro, M.D.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, GA
This letter was published on September 8, 2021, at NEJM.org.September 24, 2021 1:30 am at 1:30 am #2009789aposhiteyidParticipant
Shows how uneducated and irrelevant the anti vax libelous propaganda is. For anyone who has a little background knowledge or who conducts a small amount of research would know that 10-15 in every 100 pregnancies result in a miscarriage. That equals to between 1 in 6 and 1 in 10. So before believing this antivax shtus do a little bit of a logic check and see that it is no reason to worry.September 24, 2021 6:59 pm at 6:59 pm #2009937eric55Participant
Yea just keep jabbing yourself with a substance you don’t know what’s in it from a company who’s been fined 1 billion for criminal negligence for a virus with a 99.96 survival rateSeptember 25, 2021 9:27 pm at 9:27 pm #2009984aposhiteyidParticipant
You totally missed the point. The whole reason you are not trusting this vaccine is because of some claims of some ‘highly respected doctor’ who read 1 article on google and decided that it is going to kill you and that he knows everythin abogut vaccines. A comment like the above by Mindful just proves that it is all baloney and stupidity and there is no ground to their accusations
And just by the way in the US there was a 1.6% mortality rate which means %98.4 survival. i know its not a major difference but get your facts straightSeptember 26, 2021 1:33 am at 1:33 am #2010040
eric55, there are multiple vaccines from multiple companies and governments available. Do you have an explanation for why each of them is not to be trusted?September 27, 2021 1:45 am at 1:45 am #2010281
eric55, there are multiple vaccines from multiple companies and governments available. Do you have an explanation for why each of them is not to be trusted?
Because Bill Gates put tracking chips into all of them.September 27, 2021 1:41 pm at 1:41 pm #2010359
I wonder if the reason psychological pattern for people who do not trust vaccines, masks, or anything else. I’m hesitant to ask for an IQ, but how about a non judgmental mattress, like briggs Myers? I would be curious to see these test results for people who are pro or against vaccines. Disclosing mine: INTPSeptember 27, 2021 1:41 pm at 1:41 pm #2010358
More and more people are saying that vaccine hesitancy is due to the American unique Spirit of Independence. I’m not sure it is 100% true, or a way to excuse current government doesn’t know what to do. So this Independence quality creates both entrepreneurship that leads to vaccines on one side and to conspiracy theories on the other. I wonder whether it is even more true for the Jews who are called azim for a reason in beitza 25. Hashem supposedly give us Torah to direct azut in the right direction. It means if someone is is not directing azut in the right direction, he’s not understanding the Torah correctly. QED
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