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Hi. I’m leaving Kollel and going to work. Due to some technicalities I don’t have a BTL from BMG. Does it make sense to pay 7k+to get a BA even though I’m not sure if I need it? I definitely won’t be going to school to become an Accountant or Lawyer but it might be something I need on a resume?
Depends what you want to do. You can become a FedEx delivery person, which probably doesn’t require a BA
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/fedex-bucherim
A BTL is generally worthless in the “goyish” velt
A BTL is only worthless for careers. It’s very useful for academics. You can forgo “filler” classes that many colleges require you to take, and it’s also much easier to get accepted in certain programs if you already have a degree.
If you ever plan on getting a second degree, having a degree already can disqualify you from some scholarships/financial aid.
Just something to consider.
Those who used their PELL and TAP for a BTL, must realize it won’t be available for a future college.
1. Any accredited bachelor’s degree opens doors, though one usually has to have job skills to walk through.
2. Often (e.g. for federal civil service) a list of classes and acquired job skills is just as good.
3. If one desires to enter a graduate program, universities tend to insist on a bachelors, so the “BTL” is useful as long as you took the right classes for the program (distance education is an option to have the necessary classes, for medical school many schools offer “make up” programs for someone with a non-premed background and a bachelors who wants to go to medical school).
4. There are plenty of blue collar jobs that don’t require a bachelors that few frum Jews have shown interest in (e.g. a tool and dye maker).
Just keep in mind that not all BA or MA degrees for that matter, are created equal. Where you attended and how well you preformed can have significant impacts down the line too
e.g. a tool and die maker
Fixed that for you
e.g. a tool, and dye maker
Fixed that for you!
I have a Bachelor’s degree. You don’t just “get” a Bachelor’s degdegree, especially if you have to pay for it. You decide first what you want to do for a living and then if you need it, you get a Bachelor’s degree. You need some guidance.
And a BTL is not useless if you use it for what it can be used for, like getting into law school. People who post should really know what they are talking about before they post.
Dr. Nat, a BTL is completely useless outside of applying to a profession that requires standardized testing. In such professions like law, the LSAT score weighs far greater than the undergraduate degree (though someone with similar scores to another who attended a legitimate university will in all likelihood earn the spot over the BTL holder).
If you want to obtain the BTL as fulfillment of a prerequisite for needing Bachelors degree, then it’s not entirely useless. However, please don’t be fooled into thinking a BTL is on par with a degree at a respectable institution of secular learning.
ColumbiaGrad please reread my comments. I was not extolling the virtues of the BTL. I was pointing out that a BTL, in certain situations, can be useful. Obviously not in every situation and not for every profession. But you can get into law school with it, as many have done. My main point was that a person should know why he is obtaining a Bachelor’s degree, and for what purpose. A standard Bachelor’s degree from a respectable secular institution is also worthless if someone wants to pursue a career as an engineer.
Technically you dont need to go to college to go to law School. There are a few students every year who go straight to law school without college. The BTL puts you in the same class as these students
ZD, I’ve never heard of such a thing. Are these top law schools? My understanding is that a law degree from a non-so-good law school will not readily lead to employment as a lawyer. Unless you marry a lawyer’s daughter and join his firm.
From 2014
Last year, out of 83,963 bar exam takers, only 60 were apprentices. A mere 17 succeeded in passing the bar exam and becoming eligible to practice law. It is a long, difficult road, requiring four years of mentorship and thousands of hours of self-led work, but when completed, it can save a prospective lawyer hundreds of thousands of dollars in law school debt.
A large portion of those taking the bar examination, including those who went though law school, fail it. Lawyers don’t like competition. They’ve made it intentionally difficult to become a lawyer.
yehudayona: A guy I know went to Harvard Law School with just a BTL and good LSAT score. A few get accepted every year. I know plenty of other people that got into law school with just BTL and LSAT.
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