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What is ur opinion on boys going to israel to learn? does it help them grow?
There are probably so many variables that change from case to case that a general answer is probably worthless.
Instead of focusing on “everyone,” try to find out if your particular son (cousin, nephew, whomever) will grow in a specific yeshiva in Israel.
The Wolf
It will probably help them mature somewhat and learn to be more independent.
Still, if I could avoid sending my boys, I’d keep them in the States, and just send them out of town for the year
But due to the circle I’m in, skipping EY is not an option
Explain:
Are you asking about guys who go after graduating high school to schools such as OJ, TOMO, Beis, etc?
Or are you talking about guys who go several years after graduation to schools like Mir and Brisk?
“Id like to find a yeshiva where there is law and order, the mashgiach knows what and where every guy.”
Forget it.
And “guy”? This, coming from the mother of a EY bound boucher?
Hmm..
i spoke to an adam choshov and he told me that if the boy is not into learning and wudnt do well in the states its worth taking the risk of snding him to EY because it is very inspiring and uplifting. Hwvr a boy that is already into learning and can be matzliach in the states shud not take the risk
There was a long thread a few months ago started by a bochur who wanted to move to Eretz Yisroel to work,but a lot of good points made on that thread.
Give up there is no such a thing as law and order in Israel. There are some yeshivos where they are more on top and some where they are less but if he wants to do anything he will do it. I personally think it is a good thing; you have to give him an opportunity to get some of this stuff out of his system. Some guys won’t do anything wrong and other will go wild. It all depends on his personality and where he is holding. But if he needs to get this stuff out of his system and he doesn’t get the opportunity he will eventually do it when he is older and you want him to get married. I’ve seen this with people I know.
I know a Sephardi bochur who went to Ashkenazi yeshivas his whole life but know its time for him to go to Eretz Israel for yeshiva. He can go to Brisk, and the like. But he said he wouldn’t mind going to a Separadi yeshiva but he wants it to be on a high level.
Does anyone know about this
There are Sfardic yeshivos that are on a high level equal to Brisk or Mir (there are many others, I am just typing offhand.) Two that come to mind are Ahavat Shalom and Ben Porat Yosef. Both are located in Jerusalem, with Ben Porat Yosef having campuses in the Old City of Jerusalem and the Geula neighborhood. Ben Porat Yosef is headed by Rav Moshe Tzadkah, while in Ahavat Shalom the Rosh Yeshiva is Rav Yaakov Hillel.
What about Chazon Ovadia Rabbi Yitzcak Yosef and Rav Ovadia Yosef?
Chazon Ovadia is a wonderful sefer published by Rav Ovadia Yosef on the laws of Pesach. Rav Yitzchak Yosef is the son of Rav Ovadia Yosef and the brother of Rav Avraham Yosef, the chief rabbi of Holon.
no but theres a Yeshiva Chazon Ovadia
Rabbi Yitzchak Yosef is the Rosh Yeshiva of Chazon Ovadia
Rav Shalom Shechter’s yeshiva in Bayit Vgan is very close knit and surpervised. The boys strictly learn and grow into a parents nachas. Boys that are there almost two years have maybe been to kosel but did not yet venture out of Yerushalayim. On a recent trip when Rosh Yeshiva was on flight with the boys it was a nachas to watch these boys. They are example of the Real Thing!
I personally know of some boys who were completely turned around in E”Y. One of them was mamesh off the derech, chutzpahdig, using drugs, a nightmare for his parents. They sent him away on the advice of their rov, just to maintain their sanity and keep sholom bayis for their other children, who were affected by his behavior. He went to a yeshivah known for taking in troubled boys.
The first year made little apparent difference in him, except for his wanting to go back for another year. During the first half of that second year, something radically changed in him, and he requested to go to another more mainstream type Yeshivah, a request that had far-reaching effects on him. That boy went on to eventually get smicha and is now a rebbie himself and working in kiruv with boys much like his previous self.
200%! Their is a special siyata dishmaya their, and their are so many amazing people who you can learn from. It very much depends though on where it going Nd why? If Ur going to party u will find party’s and party the year away. If you are going wanting to grow and learn from the amazing people than u defenitlt will find them. And even wen u encounter the party’s it’s a diffrent story. Idk y but it just is cnt really explain( 3 of my friends going back ) we all went to different places and all agreed. Ertz yisroel is special, ” the air in ertz yisroel makes you smart” it’s so very true.
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I do not think the yeshiva is called Chazon Ovadia. It is called Chazon Yaakov after the grandfather of the Rosh Yeshiva Rav Yaakov Yosef.
Thank you for reviving this thread, as I’m nearing the point sending off my son, and need all the chizuk I can get.
Its especially reassuring to see R’ Sholom Shechter’s yeshiva mentioned by name, as that yeshiva is on our short list
(lightbulb joke would have been funnier if it had a diet coke or shabbos meal invitation wedged in somewere)
bpt
Does your son have any options yet?
and theres also chazon yaakov!
I see so there are two different institutions. Also for another Sfardi yeshiva is Ayelet Hashahar in Eilat led by Rabbi Yossi Rodriguez. I went to check it out a while back and it was a spectacular experience.
I have never gone to learn to in Israel. Do I regret it? Not really. Some people seem to gain a lot from it, and others don’t. I don’t think I would have gained too much. (Except weight.)
” Does your son have any options yet? “
All the names you hear in the yeshiva circle. R’ Tzvi, R’ Sholom, Yagdil.
All are good, but we can only pick one.
I am sure you will make the right choice.
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