January 21, 2011 6:14 pm at 6:14 pm #594387Princess RazalParticipant
What is ur opinion on boys going to israel to learn? does it help them grow?January 21, 2011 6:19 pm at 6:19 pm #790960WolfishMusingsParticipant
There are probably so many variables that change from case to case that a general answer is probably worthless.
Instead of focusing on “everyone,” try to find out if your particular son (cousin, nephew, whomever) will grow in a specific yeshiva in Israel.
The WolfJanuary 21, 2011 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #790961
It will probably help them mature somewhat and learn to be more independent.
Still, if I could avoid sending my boys, I’d keep them in the States, and just send them out of town for the year
But due to the circle I’m in, skipping EY is not an optionJanuary 21, 2011 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #790962Princess RazalParticipant
from what i heard, im afraid to send a teenager to israel all by hmself, especially that many boys just live it up and goof around doing nothing. Id like to find a yeshiva where there is law and order, the mashgiach knows what and where every guy.January 21, 2011 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #790963popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Are you asking about guys who go after graduating high school to schools such as OJ, TOMO, Beis, etc?
Or are you talking about guys who go several years after graduation to schools like Mir and Brisk?January 21, 2011 6:41 pm at 6:41 pm #790964
“Id like to find a yeshiva where there is law and order, the mashgiach knows what and where every guy.”
And “guy”? This, coming from the mother of a EY bound boucher?
Hmm..January 23, 2011 2:43 am at 2:43 am #790965chayav inish livisumayParticipant
i spoke to an adam choshov and he told me that if the boy is not into learning and wudnt do well in the states its worth taking the risk of snding him to EY because it is very inspiring and uplifting. Hwvr a boy that is already into learning and can be matzliach in the states shud not take the riskJanuary 23, 2011 8:12 am at 8:12 am #790966watermelonMember
There was a long thread a few months ago started by a bochur who wanted to move to Eretz Yisroel to work,but a lot of good points made on that thread.January 23, 2011 10:16 am at 10:16 am #790967yeshivaguy1Participant
Give up there is no such a thing as law and order in Israel. There are some yeshivos where they are more on top and some where they are less but if he wants to do anything he will do it. I personally think it is a good thing; you have to give him an opportunity to get some of this stuff out of his system. Some guys won’t do anything wrong and other will go wild. It all depends on his personality and where he is holding. But if he needs to get this stuff out of his system and he doesn’t get the opportunity he will eventually do it when he is older and you want him to get married. I’ve seen this with people I know.May 8, 2011 4:47 am at 4:47 am #790969
I know a Sephardi bochur who went to Ashkenazi yeshivas his whole life but know its time for him to go to Eretz Israel for yeshiva. He can go to Brisk, and the like. But he said he wouldn’t mind going to a Separadi yeshiva but he wants it to be on a high level.
Does anyone know about thisMay 29, 2011 2:46 am at 2:46 am #790970
There are Sfardic yeshivos that are on a high level equal to Brisk or Mir (there are many others, I am just typing offhand.) Two that come to mind are Ahavat Shalom and Ben Porat Yosef. Both are located in Jerusalem, with Ben Porat Yosef having campuses in the Old City of Jerusalem and the Geula neighborhood. Ben Porat Yosef is headed by Rav Moshe Tzadkah, while in Ahavat Shalom the Rosh Yeshiva is Rav Yaakov Hillel.July 27, 2011 10:40 pm at 10:40 pm #790971
What about Chazon Ovadia Rabbi Yitzcak Yosef and Rav Ovadia Yosef?July 27, 2011 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm #790972
Chazon Ovadia is a wonderful sefer published by Rav Ovadia Yosef on the laws of Pesach. Rav Yitzchak Yosef is the son of Rav Ovadia Yosef and the brother of Rav Avraham Yosef, the chief rabbi of Holon.July 28, 2011 3:21 am at 3:21 am #790973
no but theres a Yeshiva Chazon OvadiaJuly 28, 2011 3:23 am at 3:23 am #790974
Rabbi Yitzchak Yosef is the Rosh Yeshiva of Chazon OvadiaJuly 28, 2011 3:52 am at 3:52 am #790975
Rav Shalom Shechter’s yeshiva in Bayit Vgan is very close knit and surpervised. The boys strictly learn and grow into a parents nachas. Boys that are there almost two years have maybe been to kosel but did not yet venture out of Yerushalayim. On a recent trip when Rosh Yeshiva was on flight with the boys it was a nachas to watch these boys. They are example of the Real Thing!July 28, 2011 3:55 am at 3:55 am #790976July 28, 2011 4:27 am at 4:27 am #790977oomisParticipant
I personally know of some boys who were completely turned around in E”Y. One of them was mamesh off the derech, chutzpahdig, using drugs, a nightmare for his parents. They sent him away on the advice of their rov, just to maintain their sanity and keep sholom bayis for their other children, who were affected by his behavior. He went to a yeshivah known for taking in troubled boys.
The first year made little apparent difference in him, except for his wanting to go back for another year. During the first half of that second year, something radically changed in him, and he requested to go to another more mainstream type Yeshivah, a request that had far-reaching effects on him. That boy went on to eventually get smicha and is now a rebbie himself and working in kiruv with boys much like his previous self.July 28, 2011 5:17 am at 5:17 am #790978PeerimsameachParticipant
200%! Their is a special siyata dishmaya their, and their are so many amazing people who you can learn from. It very much depends though on where it going Nd why? If Ur going to party u will find party’s and party the year away. If you are going wanting to grow and learn from the amazing people than u defenitlt will find them. And even wen u encounter the party’s it’s a diffrent story. Idk y but it just is cnt really explain( 3 of my friends going back ) we all went to different places and all agreed. Ertz yisroel is special, ” the air in ertz yisroel makes you smart” it’s so very true.July 28, 2011 11:05 am at 11:05 am #790979
I do not think the yeshiva is called Chazon Ovadia. It is called Chazon Yaakov after the grandfather of the Rosh Yeshiva Rav Yaakov Yosef.July 28, 2011 1:52 pm at 1:52 pm #790980
Thank you for reviving this thread, as I’m nearing the point sending off my son, and need all the chizuk I can get.
Its especially reassuring to see R’ Sholom Shechter’s yeshiva mentioned by name, as that yeshiva is on our short list
(lightbulb joke would have been funnier if it had a diet coke or shabbos meal invitation wedged in somewere)July 28, 2011 2:07 pm at 2:07 pm #790981
Does your son have any options yet?July 28, 2011 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #790982July 28, 2011 2:48 pm at 2:48 pm #790983
and theres also chazon yaakov!July 28, 2011 3:06 pm at 3:06 pm #790984
I see so there are two different institutions. Also for another Sfardi yeshiva is Ayelet Hashahar in Eilat led by Rabbi Yossi Rodriguez. I went to check it out a while back and it was a spectacular experience.July 28, 2011 3:29 pm at 3:29 pm #790985MiddlePathParticipant
I have never gone to learn to in Israel. Do I regret it? Not really. Some people seem to gain a lot from it, and others don’t. I don’t think I would have gained too much. (Except weight.)July 28, 2011 4:01 pm at 4:01 pm #790986
” Does your son have any options yet? “
All the names you hear in the yeshiva circle. R’ Tzvi, R’ Sholom, Yagdil.
All are good, but we can only pick one.July 28, 2011 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #790987
I am sure you will make the right choice.
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