July 24, 2013 5:56 pm at 5:56 pm #610153
I am sure everyone remembers the ridiculous uproar from several years back when a group of chasidim learning shechita, shechted a cow in a private back yard. A yard that was surrounded by hedges/trees.
Of course the Jewish Week is very laudatory of this “shochet”.
One of the stores he JW highlights in their article, and includes a link to is a store that includes pork in its offerings.
Is anyone surprised by the different tack taken when dealing with Hasidim and non-orthodox? And it is quite obvious from comments posted back then on some of the “frum” web sites that this hypocrisy is not relegated to the “Jewish” Weak.July 24, 2013 6:54 pm at 6:54 pm #972673WolfishMusingsParticipant
Shechita should only occur in places where unsuspecting passersby will not need to see/hear/smell it. Not everyone is capable of handing the sensations involved (the sight of blood, etc.) and should not be subjected to it.
(Yes, I know you’ll say “How dare you say that I have to move my mitzvah to some out-of-the-way place? I should be able to do the mitzvah wherever I want.” Tough. There are plenty of other mitzvos that are only appropriate in designated places.)July 24, 2013 9:51 pm at 9:51 pm #972675
Which would include a closed back yard as a place that a person can consider private and not open to unsuspecting individuals. Someone snooping cannot be considered unsuspecting.
I are you have opted to ignore the hypocrisy.July 24, 2013 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #972676oomisParticipant
(Yes, I know you’ll say “How dare you say that I have to move my mitzvah to some out-of-the-way place? I should be able to do the mitzvah wherever I want.” Tough. There are plenty of other mitzvos that are only appropriate in designated places.)”
I can think of SEVERAL.August 30, 2013 4:18 am at 4:18 am #972677VogueMember
wowAugust 30, 2013 10:03 am at 10:03 am #972678ToiParticipant
i still dont see how some of the language in the OP didnt merit an fat edit.August 30, 2013 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm #972679akupermaParticipant
Urban areas generally restrict activities incompatible with being a residential area, such as slaughtering animals. If you want to be free of zoning restrictions, move to a rural area.August 30, 2013 3:05 pm at 3:05 pm #972680
Probably because it was a direct quote from the source of “all the news that’s fit to print”.
I did not write those descriptions.
I do note that no one responded to point of the original post, which was to point out the hypocrisy.August 30, 2013 3:09 pm at 3:09 pm #972681
However shechita is not one of THOSE mitzvos. Siman 240 in Orach Chaim deals with what is private and it does not mention anything about shechita, while it does refer to the “SEVERAL” you apparently are referring to.August 30, 2013 5:38 pm at 5:38 pm #972682WolfishMusingsParticipant
However shechita is not one of THOSE mitzvos. Siman 240 in Orach Chaim deals with what is private and it does not mention anything about shechita,
Oh, for heaven’s sake…
We’re not talking about halacha here. If you took a cow and schechted it right in the middle of 13th Avenue, no one would argue that the scheita is invalid simply because of where it took place.
What we’re discussing is basic mentchlichkeit. Face it, not everyone wants to see a huge pool of blood and a dead cow. Not everyone can stand the sight or smell involved. My entire point was that just because it’s a mitzvah doesn’t mean that it’s proper to do it wherever you want. Taking other people’s feelings and sensitivities into consideration is a basic tenet of V’aHavta L’Reacha Kamocha.
Just because halacha doesn’t “prohibit” doing something in a set place and time doesn’t mean that it should be done anywhere and at anytime. If you’re going to lain the megillah for someone (or yourself) at 2:30 AM on Purim night, don’t do it loudly with the windows open – have consideration for your neighbors who might be sleeping. Likewise, if you’re going to slaughter a cow, do it in a place where people who don’t want to see/hear/smell it won’t.
(Of course, this all is ignoring any potential Dina D’Malchusa Dina issues that may arise.)August 30, 2013 10:38 pm at 10:38 pm #972683
This was done in a private backyard surrounded with hedges. A mosey nelly violated their privacy by looking into the neighboring yard. Yes, it’s called ???? ????. The person at fault is the one who invaded the privacy with their vouyeristic nature. This was not done in the street, nor was it done in the front yard. It is like reading the Megillah in your house to yourself. Or like doing a private mitzvah in your Tom and someone peeking into your window c
I am unaware of any law that says it is illegal to slaughter a cow or butcher it, so long it is not a commercial operation. There is nothing in the Town of Ramapo ordinances that says its illegal. Yes, I looked.
Yes, I know a fine was paid, however that proves nothing except that it was cheaper to pay a made up fine than pay the lawyer to contest it. Which is how many fines are settled.
Which is all beside what my point was, which apparently was too subtle.August 31, 2013 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #972684ToiParticipant
wolf- well put. i learnt that the hard way. i tried doing bi’ur chometz in my neighbors living room.September 1, 2013 2:55 am at 2:55 am #972685metrodriverMember
@nishtdaingesheft: Most of the posters apparently missed your point. The hypocrisy (and subconscious self-hate) of the Jewish Week and the New York Times are deafening. They never miss an opportunity to knock the Jewish religion and those who practice it. There’s a classic story about a Chassidic Jew, who was riding the Amtrak train. During the course of the long ride he was approached by an Americanized (non-observant) Jew. The latter launched a verbal attack on the Chassidic lifestyle and particularly their objectionable mode of dress. When the (clever) Chassid told his adversary that he was really not Jewish, but belonged to the Amish sect his attacker apologized profusely and started praising the traditional lifestyle of the Amish…!September 1, 2013 3:01 am at 3:01 am #972686zahavasdadParticipant
I cant tell you about Monsey, but in NYC itself there is a law about owning farm animals without a permit.
And it doesnt matter if its private property or not, You are not allowed to slaughter animals on private property in NYC, there are sanitatary issues that occur no matter where the slaughter occurs, thats why they have these laws.September 1, 2013 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #972687charliehallParticipant
I agree with akuperma. Mashiach is coming.September 1, 2013 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #972688charliehallParticipant
“You are not allowed to slaughter animals on private property in NYC”
Actually there ARE some small slaughterhouses in NYC, many run by Muslims. They are in commercially or industrially zoned areas. I’m sure that they would be quite happy to sell you a sheep or goat and let your shochet friend shecht it there — the only real difference between kosher and halal slaughter is who is doing the slaughtering.September 1, 2013 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #972689lesschumrasParticipant
Nisht, That the Jewish Week and the NYT are anti Orthodox is no chiddush. I hope you weren’t defending the right to shecht acow in your back yard when local zoning laws forbid itSeptember 1, 2013 11:25 pm at 11:25 pm #972690
I find it slightly amusing that someone who has selected the screen name “lesschumras” proudly creates restrictive zoning regulations.
Not surprising, because I’ve seen the oxymorons he has written before, but amusingSeptember 1, 2013 11:30 pm at 11:30 pm #972691
I am awed by your thorough knowledge of hilchos shechita and sharia law regarding halal that you are able to say that the ONLY difference is who does the shechita.
Although, halal is good if they have a tape of the imam chanting, it does not have to be an actual person.
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