March 22, 2017 1:01 pm at 1:01 pm #1241685
I’m part of a group of friends whom i love and understand and wish to stay friends with 4ever! The problem is i know that they are bad friends for me and are bringing me down but i still love them! My mom and school found out about this and are doing everything in their power to stop the friendship! My mom said that she’d rather me stay home for the rest of the year than go back to school to be with those girls! I’m totally phsyched with this because as i’ve mentioned a couple times before that i HATE school but it’s still hard to get away from these friends cuz they’re gonna call and call me till i answer…… they won’t give up on me so fast! Also it’s boring to be home by myself a whole day! What should i do?????March 22, 2017 1:30 pm at 1:30 pm #1241730
Mom’s right.March 22, 2017 1:30 pm at 1:30 pm #1241729
jhonny, listen to your parents. Do not ruin your live.March 22, 2017 1:34 pm at 1:34 pm #1241737
There is 1 voice and -1 posts in this thread!!! What???March 22, 2017 1:36 pm at 1:36 pm #1241740
There is 1 voice and -1 posts in this thread!!! What???
The new system counts Jospeh as negative. That may or may not have been intentional.March 22, 2017 1:38 pm at 1:38 pm #1241741
okay, as soon as I posted, the number went up to 1 post!
JA – it’s great to hear from you!! I was starting to worry about you – we hadn’t heard from you in so long. I was about to start a thread asking how you were.
I don’t know what to tell you. It’s a tough situation. The best is to try to find a way to get friends who ARE good for you. You need friends, but you need good ones – not ones that are bad for you.
Sitting at home all day is not a good choice. I would suggest you continue going to school but try to stay away from these girls, and try to make other friends.
Have you discussed this with your social worker? Maybe she has a good idea.
Rebshidduch – great advice! Shkoyach!
EditedMarch 22, 2017 1:39 pm at 1:39 pm #1241743
25 – you’ve only been here a few weeks, and you already think it’s acceptable to put Joseph down?March 22, 2017 1:40 pm at 1:40 pm #1241746
There’s a whole section in the YW Moderator Training Manual about thatMarch 22, 2017 1:45 pm at 1:45 pm #1241751
“There’s a whole section in the YW Moderator Training Manual about that”
I figured there must be.March 22, 2017 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm #1241767
The little I knowParticipant
I do not have an answer to the dilemma. But I do note that the efforts of schools and parents to control the friends of their student/child are nearly always wasted. Having made many observations, what typically happens is that the kid simply takes the friendships underground, where there will be the same amount of companionship, just without getting caught. It is sad that parents and mechanchim are subject to the delusion that their efforts are accomplishing something while they are completely futile.
In fact, the range of restrictions placed on adolescents is extreme, and few, if any, are successful ingredients of chinuch. In reality, one who works on helping the kids see the beauty of following mitzvos, appreciating Shabbos, davening, learning, etc., is far more likely to produce a happy child who stays “on the derech”. The rod spoils here, and the obsession with discipline is fruitless pathology.March 22, 2017 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #1241773
“The problem is i know that they are bad friends for me and are bringing me down”
Nuff said. Why wait until they drag you down to a level you may not recover from stop it now by your own admission they are not good for your neshama. It’s hard at first but trust me you will make other friends ones who bring out the best of you, they may make you feel guilty about separating but you spoke the truth yourself.March 22, 2017 2:45 pm at 2:45 pm #1241781
Lilmod, (jokingly) I guess I lack sechel when it comes to shidduchim but everything else I have shechel for?March 22, 2017 7:30 pm at 7:30 pm #1242232
It’s always much easier to give advice to others. Sometimes the best way to make a decision is by taking yourself out of the situation and imagining it’s someone else’s issue. Imagine that they are asking you for advice – what would you tell them?
For example, pretend that Johnny Appleseed is in your situation – what advice would you give her?
Don’t post a response right away – just think about it.March 23, 2017 6:25 am at 6:25 am #1242342
HELLLLPPPPP!!!!!!!!! I just found out that one of these “Friends” is spreading rumors about me to the whole school that i don’t keep shabboss and crazy bizzare things like that!!!!!!!!!! I already stopped talking to that girl since her parents forbade her from talking to us a while ago cuz the principal called her parents………. anyways this whole situation is totally out of hand! And anyways my mother took away the option of me staying home cuz she’s scared of what i’ll do with all that free time so basically i have no choice but to go to school now!!!!!!!!!!! There’s always the option of putting up a fight and not going!!!!!!!!!!March 23, 2017 7:25 am at 7:25 am #1242354
Right now this seems like a very huge deal but trust me the kind of story you are telling is not at all uncommon for teenagers, many people can recall friends who stabbed them in the back and disagreements with parents, this does not mean you should not be upset (if your sure its true) but life will go on.
In your mind (entirely, i know this from experience) when you go to school EVERYONE will be talking about you and looking at you this is not true, people will hear all kinds of assorted rumors does that mean they will believe it ? no , and those that do are not worthy of being your friends.March 23, 2017 11:47 am at 11:47 am #1242597
TLIK – Absolutely true. Depending on your relationship with your child or student (and, of course, their age), there is a limited degree of influence you can have on their choice of friends, or on just about any choice that they will make.
The objective of Chinuch is not to force specific behaviors, but to implant a value system that will continue to guide your children and students when they are adults. Forcing compliance is generally counterproductive to this goal.March 23, 2017 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #1243160
JA – that is really upsetting!!! I hate it when I find out that people have been spreading lies about me. I think you should try to listen to Goq’s wise advice. Over the years, I have learned not to care as much about what people say about me. It is important to learn not to care too much about what people say about you.
It is also important for you to try to find friends who are worthy of you and good for you. Try to stay away from those girls and try to find better friends. Meanwhile, stay strong and keep doing the right thing and no one will believe the mean things people say about you.March 23, 2017 7:26 pm at 7:26 pm #1243162
Reminds me of The story with the bobover rebbe z’l (r shlomo) and “vus meint, usimager”. Look it up.March 23, 2017 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #1243200
It’s not just stupid lies and gossip, it’s like things that go against the torah and crazy things like that and now the school found out about it and they are making major problems so it’s bad for the future! Imagine if you called someone for shidduch info and they tell you that this girl didn’t keep shabboss in high school, would you want your son to marry such a girl???????? No you probably wouldn’t! Now you see how serious it is! No jokes!
Anyways, in other news, my mom finally agreed that i need to switch schools for next year even though it’s only 1 more year! So that is exciting! I have to give a lot of credit to my S.W. 4 that!!March 23, 2017 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm #1243218
Great! I’m so happy to hear that you are switching schools! At this point, that really does sound like the best solution for you.
That is a really upsetting situation! Try to stay strong and focus on all the schar you are getting! You must be getting tons of schar in shamayim for holding on and putting up with all that abuse and remaining Frum despite what others are saying. It says somewhere that a Mitzvah done with yisurim gets 100 times (or maybe it’s a 1000 times) more schar, so you are getting tons of schar!
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