September 2, 2008 11:53 pm at 11:53 pm #588122
A bais medrash program catering to young learners who also study for parnassah or work was started earlier this year in Boro Park by Rabbi Yonoson Stein, a talmid vasik of Rav Dovid Soloveitchik, shlita.
Yossi Cohen, age 21, learns at Yeshiva Bais Aharon from 10:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. every day. In the afternoon, he studies psychology and business. Before coming to Yeshiva Bais Aharon he learned in Yeshiva Ohr Yerushalayim in Eretz Yisroel.
Rabbi Yonoson Stein can be contacted at 718-536-8839.September 3, 2008 6:41 pm at 6:41 pm #621316
Isn’t it sad that he has to prove that this isn’t a new concept, but rather it already existed in Europe. It’s such a phoney revisionist claim. Barely anyone in Europe learned in Yeshivas. And also even today most adults work. It’s probably a single digit percentage of American men who are in their 30’s or 40’s who are still learning. All of a sudden todays system of exclusively learning forever is really part of a mesorah of hundreds of years! Come on, this is ridiculous.September 4, 2008 5:02 pm at 5:02 pm #621317
azi you make a good point but…
It is WE who are at fault. How? By patronizing the institutions of people who make such claims. We pretend to be who we are not in order to “get accepted” into these “elite” circles. Once you are there, shouldn’t you expect that this is what they will teach you? After all, they were still learning in their 30’s and 40’s.
If you want education to reflect the commonplace situation then you need education by REPRESENTATIVES of the commonplace scenario. If you are going to have all kids educated by the single digit percentage, then they are going to try to impart their own values. And unless you stipulate that such people cannot get jobs as educators and they cannot fill up their yeshivos if they spew such dogma, they will not stop.
You can’t patronize them AND tell them how to run their business.September 4, 2008 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm #621318
I would love to send my kids to South Shore Yeshiva it’s a very frum yeshiva, but the kids come out with an education and go on to higher education institutions. The only trade off (which i frankly dont care about) is that they will come out dressing normally (OMG!) and will have diffrent interests than their neighbors (who would otherwise be their friends), and even their cousins, who studied in more yeshivish places.
The real problem is that anyone who’s life has brought them to a place and situation where they can open their own yeshiva, ists usually because they themselves are coming out of learning for a long time. The people who want normal yeshivas to exist are the ones who already have jobs and cant open a school.September 5, 2008 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #621319
Good point. But as you say there ARE schools that people like us should be sending our kids to. So no matter where you live, you should be bussing your kids there. If after a while you find that enough kids in your own neighborhood are doing the same, then clearly there is demand for such a school locally. Then the “people with jobs” CAN open a school.
Until then, your choice is to live in a place with a school you like or to live in a place with a school you don’t like and send your kids away for school. Your choice is NOT to send your kids to a school you don’t like and then get upset with the school.
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