April 13, 2016 6:25 am at 6:25 am #617550
Why do bakeries bake chametz till the last minute. They should stop a couple days before. Just bake basics-(bread-sponge), nothing else. So it should not come to “bal tashchis” erev yom tov and should be not be put out on street hefker as a bizoyin…April 13, 2016 9:48 am at 9:48 am #1147058lesschumrasParticipant
Fiddle, a. They have to make a living. B. Their customers include non frum Jews and goyim. C. Our local bakery donates leftovers to the local Volunteer fire dept all year, not just Erev Pesach.April 13, 2016 10:12 am at 10:12 am #1147059CTLAWYERParticipant
“Why do bakeries bake chametz till the last minute. “
1. Because most people have stopped baking at home days (or even weeks) before Pesach and there is a demand for the product.
2. Why should their parnasah be cut? It’s tough enough that they will be shut for a minimum of 8 days with no sales, but fixed expenses such as rent, insurance continue.
3. As Queen Marie Antoinette said: “Let them eat cake.” Some customers want more than bread.
4. Why should employees have their hours cut and lose wages because you have decided no cakes and pastries should be baked?
5. Mrs. CTL’s family owned a kosher bakery, I worked as the purchasing agent for another kosher bakery more than 40 years ago. Neither establishment cut production before Pesach. There were retail and wholesale trade to be serviced. Nothing was ever put out on the street Erev Pesach…it was all given to local goyische institutions for distribution to the poor in our towns.April 13, 2016 3:16 pm at 3:16 pm #1147060Geordie613Participant
You will be amazed how many sandwiches are sold erev pesach morning at our local bakery. No one wants chometz at home, so it’s perfect to go buy a sandwich, roll or pastry to eat.
Also, those kashrus authorities who allow it, they prepare dough for rolls and bread to be frozen and sold to the non-Jew, then defrosted on motzei yom tov.April 13, 2016 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #1147061
Of course they need to make a living. But, what happens when the time comes you have to get rid of it? I happened to pass by past year in BP on 13 erev yom tov, there was not a few but lots of fresh bakery stuff spread out. (The “nisht inzerer” were all there). At least donate it to a organization. Not just dump it.April 13, 2016 9:31 pm at 9:31 pm #1147062
You just changed the question from “why bake it” to “why not donate it to an organization”.
Which organization would you suggest?April 14, 2016 2:29 am at 2:29 am #1147063Torah613TorahParticipant
So they made a miscalculation one year. They are producing a much desired product until then.
Most people want to turn over their kitchens at least a few days prior to Erev Pesach, (especially those of us who can’t cook anything otherwise!) and there is no mitzva to stop eating chametz until Erev Pesach anyway.April 17, 2016 1:52 am at 1:52 am #1147064
I am still going with the original question. But if there is extra, then donate it.April 17, 2016 2:29 am at 2:29 am #1147065
What do you mean you are still going with the original question? Do you mean you think the bakeries should lose their profits from all of the pre-Pesach sales?
If they put it out for anyone to take, you should take it and donate it. Which organization will you donate it to?April 17, 2016 3:54 am at 3:54 am #1147066
The way you are saying, I assume that you work or have someone real close (maybe own) that works in a bakery. Not trying to take anyone’s profits away. But most people would recognize that what ever there is in the grocery or bakery would accept it that its before pesach. They will take almost anything, and would still be happy. (So if you have only certain items, you will still get your profits, -maybe even more- nothing gets taken away). Also it should not be relied on the last minute and get rid of it. Then it would be very hard to donate. Just prepare a little earlier or call for a pickup where ever it gets donated. Yes there are plenty organizations that can use it. Look it up.April 17, 2016 4:18 am at 4:18 am #1147067
The way you are saying, I assume you are not a capitalist.
If the bakeries overproduce, it is because they want to have a nice selection, and there’s no way to know precisely how much of each item to sell. That is a business decision, and I assume they know their business better than you or I, and will profit more this way. That is not bal tashchis, and it is unfair for you to want them to suffer a loss.
I know a few bakeries who donate leftover challahs, bread, and pastries to needy families before Shabbos every week. I’m also aware of takeout places which donate leftover food to bikur cholim rooms in hospitals. There are dedicated volunteers who spend hours on erev Shabbos picking up and delivering food.
Erev Pesach, obviously, no bikur cholim or other tzedakah organization will take chometz to distribute for Pesach.
I’m not sure what you want – they leave it out for whoever will use it before the zman, or for non Jewish needy people to take. You would prefer that they donate it to some organization, so you should advise the bakeries as to which, and they can decide if they think that’s a better idea.
Meanwhile, it looks as if you’re good at spending someone else’s money and time.April 17, 2016 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #1147068
Don’t want to sound nasty, (not my goal). But trying to understand. If you going the idea of capitalism. Then maybe sell non kosher items, because you make money there as well. –I am talking about in the week of pesach–, YES they should slow down baking a lot of items, no need a big selection. sometimes certain mitzvos come before money. (you have your opinion and I have mine).
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