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    What’s your derech to be kovea itim once you’re outs of the walls of the beis medrash?


    It’s not easy. Many attend a daf you shiur to stay jn a routine.


    The Rambam says that a working person, a Baal Haboss, should work three hours a day and should learn Torah eight hours a day.

    mesivta bachur

    Is that what you do?

    Shimon Nodel

    I think the Rambam says 9 hours actually


    I learn an hour in the morning before my office opens, an hour lunchtime, if not a court day, an hour at the close of business (with my sons and sons-in law in the office, and two hours in the late evening.

    Been following this schedule for more than 30 years, except no sons-in law back then.

    During the summer, I tend not to work afternoons and learn with my grandchildren who spend the summer in the compound


    The key is consistency- daily learning programs are good to keep you on track and accountable for falling behind. All depends on your own level, work/family commitments, etc.

    1. Daf Yomi – for a yeshiva-trained person, should include all Rashi’s and review on the weekends (I like to go thru the RIF for review an)
    2. ShMOT with Rashi;
    3. Some Halacha
    4. Some mussar/hashkafa/etc.

    Are Roster

    I have a chavrusa, over the phone, that I learn Tur and Shulchan Aruch with all the Nosei Keilim. We learn that VERY slowly. We learn a couple of times every day for a total of 2 or 3 hours every weekday, and more than that on Sundays. To complete the entire Shulchan Aruch learning at this pace would take maybe 70 to a 100 years.

    During the workday, I listen to three online Daf Yomi shiurim (a quick review, a regular daf, and shas illuminated) and halacha shiurim (Rav Osher Weiss, Rav Kleinman, Rav Hershel Schachter, Rav Aryeh Lebowitz, Irgun Shiurei Torah, among others).

    On Shabbos, I learn the parsha with Rashi, Mishnah Berurah at a very quick pace (I try to finish it once a year), and random sefarim/journals/topics that I happen to be interested in at the time.

    On Sunday, I learn Mishnayos (Zeraim and Taharos only) and Nach.


    Rambam paskens lehalocho that there is no din hishtadlus on someone who chooses to sit and learn and trust in the rebonoy shel olam


    > Rambam paskens lehalocho that there is no din hishtadlus



    I learn from hashgaha pratis: put a dvar Torah on youtube and put it on autoplay.


    CTLawyer that’s $1,500 sacrificed at day!!!! Don’t you think Issachar could benefit more from this?!?


    Lostspark….I can assure you that top legal service providers bill a LOT more than $300/hr (even in CT)…….


    > Don’t you think Issachar could benefit more from this?!?

    First, Zevulun ideal is not a lawyer, but a merchant. Real business. When I thought lawyers are making real money, one of them said – how do you think I feel assisting people making deals while just charging per hour?

    Second, Issachar did not talk like that.

    Yabia Omer

    The bulk of one’s learning should be YWN, followed by a decent dose of VIN. Then, a sprinkle of Matzav to mashlim the day.


    Wow !!

    Some very impressive balabattim !!

    Ashreichem Yisroel keep it up !!


    Find a mix of inspiration, tachlis learning and fun learning. Once there is one good seder in place and you are loving it, more will come naturally over time. if you are struggling with kviyus, check out Rav Eli’s daf at Mercaz Daf Yomi / 8 min daf. It’s really is good fun.


    Dear Ujm,

    What makes you think the Rambam is talking about a working person? From the preceding halachah, it seems to be talking about someone who is learned, and wants to continue to study as much Torah as he can.


    Dear Lostspark,

    A true talmid chacham, benefits much more from a learned layman. Some earners that do not learn, give very little to supporting Torah. Because they have no idea what to expect their donation to achieve.


    It is not a sacrifice, I am giving nothing up, as I established that schedule/regimen when I opened the CTL firm. I hung a shingle upon passing the bar exam and never worked for anyone else.
    You have made comments on my billing rate previously, but fail tp understand that billings do not equal profit. There are rents, salaries, taxes, insurance, utilities, etc. That are paid out of revenue.
    As senior partner, my non-court rate is a modest $500 hour, modest because here in Fairfield County most name partners charge more in 2021. I am not greedy. My in court rate is much higher. That said, not every minute or hour of the working day is billable, and at this stage of life I enjoy a certain amount of pro bono work.


    CTLawyer is doing exactly the right thing. The biggest objection to Yidden going into professions is that the more you work, the more you ear. The more you earn, the more you work to earn more. Ctlawyer follows Chofetz Chaim and others – working enough to earn a living and then learning.

    R Leibowitz says one student asked whether it is a good idea to work until you are 40, earn a lot of money, and then learn full time … His answer is, of course, no.

    Lostpark, rather than asking CTLawyer to work and give his money to others, a true aspiring Talmid Chacham should ask him to teach him his middos and replicate his successful path.


    Wth time getting hectic, esp last 2 years and more merger between home and work, I find reading a lot hits on the the faculties I am already using a lot. I am more and more switching to true “oral Torah” – zoom classes, recordings. This partially compensates for less in-person Torah and I also find speakers being more informal in speeches and less guarded than in writing. Maybe this explains why Talmud developed orally ,,,


    Dear UJM,

    While you are looking up that Rambam, maybe you can look up this one as well.


    I really suggest “learning how to learn” shiurim such as the ones given by the late Rabbi nachman Morgan ztl instead of the typical daf yomi shiurim for those who didn’t adequately receive those skills in yeshiva. ezralatalmid has many of the shiurim as audio files

    Reb Eliezer

    Not to be afraid to question. Get a chavrusa as it says cherev al habadim, sword comes when learning alone. The Haflaah says that a question comes from heavenly intervention, siata Dishmaya. When the Jews found bitter water they through a bitter tree into it to become sweet. When we learn a piece of gemora and don’t understand it, it is bitter. With the help of Hashem we throw on it a kashye which is bitter without a answer but it ends up, when an answer is found, to become sweet.

    Reb Eliezer

    Should be above threw a bitter tree into it.


    Dear Reb Eliezer,

    That idea of not learning alone, is referring to a much higher caliber student than this discussion.

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