BAN SEAFRIA.

SyagLchochom:
Yes, I also addressed the claim that the gemara TRANSLATION was “skewed.”
I asked for examples (from the TRANSLATION) and did not get any.
Do you have any, perhaps?

“Yes, I also addressed the claim that the gemara TRANSLATION was “skewed.””

Yes. And you also made other comments and I addressed those.

“a man according to his praise. From what a person praises, we see what they’re machshiv.”

Brilliant!! So beautifully stated. And I always thought your motto was “From what a person degrades we see what they’re machshiv” Take your own lesson to heart.

If you would have used your time to actually learn, you wouldn’t be so bent out of shape because you heard a woman singing. It’s happened before.

Genocide, avodah zara, infanticide, nuclear holocausts, mass starvation, and lots of other things have ‘happened before’ too.

Someone asked rav chaim what the point of protesting is if it won’t change anything. His words are written on the heart of every ehrlich yid – vehn s’gait mivh ohn, shreit min

When it hurts, you scream.

……….It’s happened before. And when it happens to Bnei Torah they open their gemara and completely forget that it ever occurred.

Interesting point is that someone found a funny page by using google pointing to sefaria.

One possible reason: google will highlight something “popular” and we know what “rov” is interested in … I would guess that X-rated pages from Yevamos are highly rated by Google, whether they have a difficult tosfos or not.

Another: google is following your history. So, if it learned that you are young, male, not very much, and maybe, G-d forbid, ever tried to avoid your parents’ filters – google will lead you where you want. This is like Hashem usually does – if you insist on your way, he’ll let you.

Bottom line – try using internet responsibly and then google will learn your interests and become better to you.

Dear Always,

Your guess is wrong. And the page in question is not a result of search history. It’s a pretty specific query.

Dear Coffee,

That would be to sit and study by him as an attempt to imbibe all his wisdom. It doesn’t apply to gaining insight into a specific matter. And for sure not to translations or finding sources.

Dear Coffee,

If it’s that’s kind of problem, than we can just look at the product and see what it is. What’s wrong with sefaria? I can’t vouch for it, but a bachur coming across song lyrics and then clicking on the link to Facebook, is not a standard breaker to me.

N0mesorah,

Looking at the first page of this thread is what I was basing on

Dear Nisht,

It’s on a screen. So that’s not really a factor here. Let’s keep the issue to content.

“So you don’t see anything wrong with learning Gemora from women?”

Absolutely not, unless you prefer to wallow in your ignorance derived exclusively from male sources. If a woman can provide a more intelligible and accessible pshat on some sugyah you have previously had difficulty understanding, you’d be a real jerk to avoid reading it simply because it was WRITTEN by a woman.
So, grow up “Big Bochur?

N0mesorah

Perhaps ponder for a moment why the Halacha is so. Did you really think I was advocating burning down the internet?

It is clear from the mesorah we have from gedolie poskim such as the mechaber is that you should not from such books.

But, your answer is that it’s on a screen. Very elegant.

Dear Big,

First verify that they used her translations. They didn’t they used Koren. Did they put anything of hers into the Online Talmud? I doubt it. She’s not a layman’s kind of scholar. It’s your assumption that her ideas are mixed into the site. Prove it. The fact that you got so bent out of shape without realizing that you perf seeing song lyrics when you where looking for mefarshim on a passuk. If they have Hauptmann singing songs and you think that’s her saying a heretical pshat in the gemara, we’re not going to ban Sefaria. We’ll shun you for being unreliable.

Dear Nisht,

Sorry I overrated what you meant.

1. The point is, it’s on your screen. Your the one who ‘wrote it’. Assuming you don’t see yourself as a min, if you approve of the content, there is no problem here. It is regular Torah.

2. Here is what I once pondered on this halachah. Is it a regular k’sav without kedushas stam? Is it no kedushah at all, but it looks like sheimos, so we save it? Is it a full kedushah but minus can’t be Torah, so it’s burned?

3. It is even more clear from the contents of the sefarim that are treasured on our shelves, that we have been using these sources when the contents are good.

big? bochur > You dont see anything wrong with learning Gemora from women?

Rav Yehuda laughs off some arrogant request for learning comparing him with Beruriah and her great ability to learn a lot from multiple teachers. He is not recommending to learn from Beruriah, but it is at least a testimony that multiple teachers would either admit Beruriah into their class, or teach her one-on-one (with presumably the Rebetzin sitting and knitting nearby).

If you want to apply this sugiya to modern times, you will be better off learning opinions of, say, R Moshe Feinstein and his relatives – a cousin and a son-in-law. You can also peruse CR.

The women make birchas hatorah, so the women are required to learn what applies to them.

Why do we need to ban anything? You’re a smart person! You don’t like it, don’t use it.

n0mesorah, thanks a lot. I did not know that Sefaria’s gemora is using R Steinsaltz! Woe to me for not recognizing it … I think I looked up what Seforia sources are before 2017. I don’t recall whether they had Bavli then at all. Also, they are using mathematician’s Heinrich Guggenheimer 2015 translation for Yerushalmi.

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