July 4, 2012 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm #603985GeshmakManParticipant
Do people think it’s ok to BBQ today, or could it be an issue of Chukas HaGoyim? Is it the same issue as Turkey on Thanksgiving?July 4, 2012 3:09 pm at 3:09 pm #963066Sam2Participant
BBQ today is much less of an issue than turkey on Thanksgiving. There’s nothing religious about it nor was there ever was. Also, the reason for a barbecue has no direct ties to the day. It’s just that the best (and only good) times to barbecue are hot summer days where you don’t have to go to work. I could see someone making the claim that it’s a Chukas Hagoyim issue, but I really don’t think it is.July 4, 2012 3:46 pm at 3:46 pm #963067lesschumrasParticipant
Curious,no one questions whether misusing Medicaid and and section 8 like goyim is Chukas goyimJuly 4, 2012 4:17 pm at 4:17 pm #963068yaakov doeParticipant
This is a most serious shaila and you must call your Rav immediatly to ask.July 4, 2012 5:08 pm at 5:08 pm #963069Working on itParticipant
lesschumras – +1, but you forgot foodstamps.
GeshmakMan – I like to BBQ as often as possible, so it really has nothing to do with the day, other than what Sam2 said – the timing works well.
HOWEVER, knowing the posters on here, I am sure you will get many differing opinions on the topic and I am sure that some will find a way to make it assur to BBQ for reasons you would never have thought of. “maybe it could lead to socializing…” “maybe you will use the internet to find a recipe…” etc. Clearly these things are assur so obviously you shouldn’t BBQJuly 4, 2012 5:16 pm at 5:16 pm #963070MorahRachMember
Lesschumras hahahaha I was thinking along the same lines. Well said.July 4, 2012 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm #963071CsarMember
WOI: Do you always use letzanus to knock the Torah?July 4, 2012 5:29 pm at 5:29 pm #963072PosterMember
While shmoozing with my friend on teh phone I mentioned I was making a BBQ. She asked if it was in honor of July 4th. I didnt know there was an inyan to BBQ on July 4th…..July 4, 2012 5:41 pm at 5:41 pm #963073shmoolik 1Participant
I think that those of us that live in Israel should hold 2 days for the Fourth of July BBQ on each day plus U.S. beerJuly 4, 2012 5:49 pm at 5:49 pm #963074Sam2Participant
Csar: While WOI may have been out of line, I didn’t see him knocking the Torah anywhere.July 4, 2012 6:35 pm at 6:35 pm #963075ItcheSrulikMember
WOI: +1. You can come to my BBQ.
Poster: It’s more of a Memorial Day thing because that’s the first day off when the weather is right.July 4, 2012 10:53 pm at 10:53 pm #963076Doodle-Man™Member
Poster: You bombmaniac?July 5, 2012 1:00 am at 1:00 am #963077GeshmakManParticipant
Do I bomb maniacs??July 5, 2012 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #963078✡onegoal™Participant
I made a BBQ yesterday because I grill all the time, what do you know yesterday was the 4th big deal.July 5, 2012 7:48 pm at 7:48 pm #963079kfbParticipant
Lesschumras- fantastic! You’re right on the ball! I don’t understand how people think its ok to steal from the government!? Does their learning even count?July 5, 2012 8:00 pm at 8:00 pm #963080Feif UnParticipant
Can we clarify one thing? Grilling and BBQ are not the same thing! When you have a grill with charcoal or propane and you stick on some hot dogs and/or burgers, you are grilling.
BBQ is when you slow cook something with much lower heat, often with smoke. Flavored wood chips are also often used, as are various rubs and marinades.July 5, 2012 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #963081ItcheSrulikMember
Feinshmecker 😉July 5, 2012 10:56 pm at 10:56 pm #963082oomisParticipant
LessChumras — on target. We cannot be selective in rejecting the goyishe zahchen.
I grilled, because it meant my HUBBY did the cooking!!!!! And why not? We Jews were also given freedom in this country.July 5, 2012 11:33 pm at 11:33 pm #963083Doodle-Man™Member
I wonder how crazybrit enjoyed their 5th of June.July 6, 2012 5:31 am at 5:31 am #963084YW Moderator-42Moderator
A baal nefesh will BBQ with a shinui on July 4th in order to avoid chukos hagoyim issues. Flying a British or Confederate flag also helps. (Flying an Israeli flag is obviously assur diyoraisa yehareg val yaavor at all times)July 6, 2012 5:34 am at 5:34 am #963085popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Avenge the patriotic gore,
that flecked the streets of baltimore,
and be the battle queen of yore,
maryland, my maryland!
(Did someone say confederate?)July 6, 2012 5:35 am at 5:35 am #963086YW Moderator-42Moderator
Although it is a chiyuv diyoraisa to where a white shirt at all times, on July 4th it is better not to wear one because you might get ketchup on it and then turn blue in the face and people might be choshesh that your red, white, and blue colors are in honor of the goyish holiday.July 2, 2013 2:21 pm at 2:21 pm #963087playtimeMember
bumpJuly 2, 2013 2:36 pm at 2:36 pm #963088charliehallParticipant
Two years ago I popped into a shul in Paris where the French Jews were making a kiddush in honor of Bastille Day. If the Jews of France can make a kiddush IN shul on that country’s national holiday, kal v’chomer we should do at least as much for a country that has treated Jews far better.July 2, 2013 2:38 pm at 2:38 pm #963089akupermaParticipant
There is clear historical evidence that in the past, Jews joined in celebrations of the king’s (or queen’s) birthday, showing that in the past pariticipation in a secular holiday of this nature was acceptable (as opposed to one’s with a religious basis such as Thanksgiving, Halloween or Valentine’s Day – which have a religious basis and in the case of the later two involve celebrations that involve multiple shailohs).July 2, 2013 2:40 pm at 2:40 pm #963090☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
If the Jews of France can make a kiddush IN shul on that country’s national holiday, kal v’chomer we should do at least as much for a country that has treated Jews far better.
What some random French Jews do is halachah l’Moshe miSinai?July 2, 2013 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #963091popa_bar_abbaParticipant
There is clear historical evidence that in the past, Jews joined in celebrations of the king’s (or queen’s) birthday, showing that in the past pariticipation in a secular holiday of this nature was acceptable
You know they used to kick us out of the country every few years, and we kind of wanted to convince them to like us.July 2, 2013 4:01 pm at 4:01 pm #963093rebdonielMember
Chukat hagoyim refers to specific idolatrous religious practices. I don’t know of any goyim who grill hot dogs as a korban to some deity. People should take the time on July 4th to remember what being an American means and to engage in patriotic activities, such as doing something in service to our troops abroad or at home.
People should remember on this day, and every day, “Ask not what America can do for you, but what you can do for America.”
And I fully support above comments regarding Jews on the dole.
What chukat hagoy issues could exist with Thanksgiving? No Christian church has established any holiday around the last Thursday in November.July 2, 2013 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #963094gavra_at_workParticipant
I don’t know of any goyim who grill hot dogs as a korban to some deity.
Offler. Although the sausages then taste like ash, since the “essence of the sausage” has already been consumed (of course, none but the Galachim would really know).
JMH, that was such a setup, no?July 2, 2013 5:33 pm at 5:33 pm #963095ToiParticipant
rebd, you said,”Chukat hagoyim refers to specific idolatrous religious practices.”
that is false. check up the S”A. dont make things up.July 2, 2013 6:18 pm at 6:18 pm #963096rebdonielMember
The Maharik, in his famous teshuva (#88) forbids Jews from doing things purely for the sake of imitating idolaters.
He permits Jewish doctors wearing academic dress in the teshuva. There is nothing inherently pertaining to non-Jewish religious practices in the observance of Halloween or Thanksgiving. The Beit Yosef there (178) says (d.h. ve chen) that chukot hagoyyim applies in two cases: one is if there is no revealed reason for it, like ‘Chok’ connotes. Since he does a strange matter without a reason, it looks like he is drawn after Nochrim and admits to them (their creed). The other is due to tzeniut.
A person does not have a BBQ on the 4th of a turkey dinner on Thanksgiving to imitate goyishe religions. He does it to be an honorable, patriotic American, out of love for his country.
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