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How much can a rebbe expect to earn (ballpark figure) in the NY area?
Including heavily reduced tuition?
ballpark figure?
.030 million
I don’t know too many rebbeim who make ends meet solely on their rebbe salary, even including tuition reduction.
If you’re looking for numbers, including tuition discounts makes it dependant on how many kids he has, so much more variable.
If he gets a job, or adjusting for that risk also?
It can be defined that way, but someone who wants numbers is probably comparing it to other options.
Depends in which community.
in Eastern coast communities its at the minimum of 30k per year unless your doing special ed. or
if your teaching in a more modern day school community & traveling they give more closer to between 40k-50k per year (but that also means you won’t be sending your children to that school. not only bec. modern but also cause its in a different town)
in the Midwest of Chicago or other Midwest communities where tuition is much more expensive the rabbeim & teacher get paid more by a total different amount.
in the Midwest of Chicago or other Midwest communities where tuition is much more expensive the rabbeim & teacher get paid more by a total different amount.
unfortunately, pure speculation. more than 40-50k? only on their wish list. I didn’t think tuition was higher but maybe it is. And tuition break is funny too. If you give me a 50% tuition break but with my income I would be on minimum tuition, you can’t call it a benefit.
I’m pretty certain there are no raises given time or experience.
If you give me a 50% tuition break but with my income I would be on minimum tuition, you can’t call it a benefit.
Agreed. Although it’s probably more comfortable to get it as part of negotiated salary than as a scholarship.
You think rebbeim are salaried about the same much on their 10th year with the yeshiva as they were on their first year?
They get regular raises. Also, some mosdos pay more than others, so an experienced rebve with a good reputation can move to a better paying job, or at least use that as leverage to get a raise where they are.
but you would probably have to be living in a city where there are more than two schools.
This aspect seems to work about the same as it does in private industry.
There’s a major difference, though. The upper limit of what the yeshiva can pay is determined by factors other than job performance. In private industry, the more valuable you are to your employer, the more they’ll pay you, because you’re making more money for them. That’s only true for a yeshiva to a very limited degree.
but you would probably have to be living in a city where there are more than two schools
That, or be a candidate to move to a different city.
Based on the Yeshiva at which I currently teach, as well as on other places which I have researched, starting in the mid-thirties for teaching half a day is pretty common.
Some places do offer full-time jobs, with other classes or responsibilities in the afternoons.
Not all Yeshivos (perhaps not even most) give regular raises.
An important variable which can affect the real value of the salary is whether the school pays on time.
Of course tuition, health insurance and other benefits are factors that vary from school to school.
Joseph,
At an MO school, most rebbes/morahs are only there from davening in the morning until the end of limudei kodesh(approximately noon or 1PM). These folks can expect to make 15k-25k, depending on the individual’s credentials/education and the school itself.
There are some Judaic studies teachers that stick around all day, but they tend to have more than one role in the school (e.g. a Israel yeshiva guidance counselor). These people should expect to make in the 40k-50k range, but also tend to be more modern themselves, as they have a role in which student interaction and student relatabilty become vital characteristics. There have been frummies in these roles as well, though.
-source: My years involved with several MO institutions in the NY area.
Off topic, but I remember in my high school yeshiva all the rebbeyim had a strike to raise wages, and they were completely justified, but in my 15 year old mind it was devastating seeing rabbis ask for more money. I couldn’t view them the same after.
newbee – For the record, ?? ??? ruled that Rebbeim are not allowed to strike. If memory serves (I’m sure DY will correct me if necessary), this is because Rebbeim are not paid to teach; they are paid ??? ????. Once they have no other job, they are required to teach for free. If a Rebbe feels that he needs a different job, he is certainly free to take one, but he can not refuse to teach Torah because he needs money.
Joseph
after approximately 10 years-or more- of teaching many rabbeim tend to transfer to becoming principles or assistant principles (based on their experience but also due to their knowing how that school they have been working in runs) this of course is only due if the school is growing more classes & therefore needs more principles
i.e. not all schools grow. some stay 1 to 3 classes per grade & that’s it after that there’s no more room for more growth because they do not want to grow, as it involves more then just finding a new rebbe for the additional class per grade in the years ahead.
catch yourself: by strike I mean an organized gathering of mutual protest- they never actually stopped working. So maybe strike is wrong term.
our rebbes also stay til about 1 and then they have others hired for the non-limudei kodesh. recently the afternoon classes have been taken by rebbes who are teaching both, but they try not to send a class thru the same rebbe twice.
I don’t know what the afternoon position pays but I assume they are considered to be drawing two salaries this way.
They certainly don’t do it for free.
This has become increasingly common, as I can see. A rebbe’s salary on its own rarely is enough to support a family.
As my name states, I live in CT. Far enough away from NY to enjoy open space, but within a 90 minute drive to NYC.
That said, the close commute to NY is used by Yeshivos and Shuls to lower the pay rates for rebbeim and Rabbis. Applicants are told that it’s an easy trip in to Monsey, Queens or Brooklyn to see family, shop, eat, etc. Therefore you are not sacrificing as much as communities 3 hours or more away from the city and we can pay you less.
Also, it is quite common for rebbeim to teach a full day in out of town day schools/Yeshivos. They may teach elementary in the morning and High School in the afternoon or vice versa.
One of the biggest problems ion employment is that many of these Yeshivos (particularly Chabad) have become dynastic, employing mostly family members. Non family members tend to be hired for a year or so and when they seek a raise they are not retained and another beginner, who comes at beginner salary is hired.
Tuition discount is not a selling point for employment, faculty kids attend free.
Tuition discount is not a selling point for employment, faculty kids attend free.
Free is cheaper than reduced. Why wouldn’t that be a selling point?
The amount of free/reduced tution is taxable as income
Lesschumras
I’m not a tax expert but I was told by an accountant that one of the legal benefits (non taxable pay like health insurance) that a school is allowed to give is tuition (even to a different school) so a teacher can technically get all their kids tuition tax free
If anyone is an accountant please back me up/ correct me
IRC section 117. Qualified Tuition Reduction.
Lesschumras is incorrect.
Catch yourself, two points should be added:
1) In a case where the rebbe could find a different source of income, the reason of schar batalah would not apply, but R’ Moshe still assers because he’s causing bittul Torah.
2) The concept of eis la’asos could be used under limited circumstances to allow a brief stoppage, if it will result in a long term benefit, meaning it will spur the board to raise the required funds to prevent the rebbeim from leaving altogether. R’ Moshe considers this option to only apply in dire circumstances and with great consideration.
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