Being a shliach for the tzibur without Hashem

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  • March 8, 2013 6:04 pm at 6:04 pm #935502
    fkelly
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    Is that untrue? I have always learned that wine can’t be touched by a nonjew or someone who isnt frum.

    March 8, 2013 6:28 pm at 6:28 pm #935503
    benignuman
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    Fkelly,

    You are right, but the reason is because in fraternizing with them over fine wine you might learn from their bad ways/marry their daughters. If this is the reason, then it should not apply to someone who is frum in public because other people will not know that they are not frum and there will be nothing to learn from.

    March 8, 2013 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #935504
    fkelly
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    Thank you for the clarification!

    So are there any halachos that apply to someone who does not keep torah in private?

    March 8, 2013 7:04 pm at 7:04 pm #935505
    SecularFrummy
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    fkelly- What do you mean “does not keep torah in private?” Doesn’t everybody fall into such a category at one time or another? If they have doubts in belief, there would be no difference regarding that doubt whether in private or public.

    March 8, 2013 7:31 pm at 7:31 pm #935506
    benignuman
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    SecularFrummy,

    There would be a difference between someone who declares that he does not believe in Torah min hashomayim and someone who holds the same disbelief but doesn’t tell anyone.

    March 10, 2013 12:58 am at 12:58 am #935507
    fkelly
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    Secular Frummy- I mean someone who is frum outwardly but on privately they don’t keep any of mitzvos.

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