February 28, 2016 9:42 pm at 9:42 pm #617317
What is the best yeshiva for Modern Orthodox boys to go to? I don’t mean the most fun, I mean the best place for them to really grow in their learning and yiras shamayim.February 28, 2016 9:53 pm at 9:53 pm #1140372
That really depends on their personality. Many of the Modern Orthodox Yeshivas are great places but they are great for different types of people. For example a Person who would do really well at Shaalvim may not do so well at Netiv Aryeh and visa versa. But that doesn’t mean that Shaalvim is a better place. Just works better for different personalities.February 28, 2016 10:54 pm at 10:54 pm #1140373DaMosheParticipant
KBY (Kerem B’Yavneh) is an excellent yeshiva, where they are extremely serious learners. Again, not every yeshiva is good for every boy, but KBY is an excellent option.February 28, 2016 11:54 pm at 11:54 pm #1140374JosephParticipant
The best yeshivas for MO boys are Chareidi yeshivas so they can get a real feel and bren for yiddishkeit.February 29, 2016 2:14 am at 2:14 am #1140375
@Joseph You have trolling level has now increased and is now 26!!! Would you like a cookie to celebrate?February 29, 2016 2:41 am at 2:41 am #1140376JosephParticipant
That was a serious comment.February 29, 2016 3:04 am at 3:04 am #1140377Burnt SteakParticipant
As Utah was saying there are many different Yeshivas and each one is good for different types of people. If you want I can list a lot of them.
Joseph, I wouldn’t dismiss all the MO yeshivas just like that. A lot of them are run by Charedi rabbis. They just target different boys. A place like OJ (Ohr Yerushaliam) is run by Charedi rabbis. Almost every one of the rabbis is Charedi and the boys are pushed to continue learning in different yeshivas and if they have to go to college then to go to landers or a yeshiva during the day and college during the night.
A Charedi place isn’t the best fit for everyone.February 29, 2016 3:11 am at 3:11 am #1140378charliehallParticipant
“That was a serious comment.”
We know. That is what makes it so sad.
Have you ever visited a beit midrash at a MO yeshiva?February 29, 2016 3:16 am at 3:16 am #1140379zogt_besserParticipant
It depends what they want and what their skills are. in my own experience, I have found guys from KBY to be fairly shtark, makpid in halacha, and serious about learning. A number of guys I know attended shaalvim and then went on to Mir, so that’s an option Joseph would approve. For an MO kid who is disconnected from Judaism and ignorant of halacha/gemara (which is a significant chunk of kids!), I would personally recommend a kiruv yeshiva like Aish Hatorah. Such kids don’t have any foundation in basic emunah, and can’t learn gemara. so why not start from the beginning?February 29, 2016 5:19 am at 5:19 am #1140381
As stated on their web site, OJ is not “MO”, even if they attract a variety of students.
From their site: “Yeshivat Ohr Yerushalayim is unaffiliated politically or philosophically with any political parties or formal religious movements. Its goal is to emphasize the primacy of high level Torah study and love of Klal Yisrael and Eretz Yisrael.”
The last line, however, does, at first glance, seem to neatly align with MO’s “Am Yisrael, Torat Yisrael and Eretz Yisrael”, which probably makes it attractive to MO.
Looking at it more closely, however, they note (in English) “limud haTorah”, not “Torat Yisrael”, and “Klal Yisrael” rather than “Am Yisrael”. Those particular word choices imply Torah-true orthodoxy, not “MO”. But it’s probably still “kosher” for “MO”, too.February 29, 2016 6:02 am at 6:02 am #1140382Burnt SteakParticipant
I know many people who went to OJ. The kids that go there are mostly coming from MO backgrounds. Some of the kids are coming from co-ed highschools. HAFTR, HANC, MTA, DRS, JEC(RTMA), TABC are definatly MO highschools. The only feeder highschool that may not be MO is South Shore. I’d say this represents a mostly MO student population. And this is not counting the non NY highschools where students attended.
The rabbis are not zionistic at all. For the last few years OJ has had at least 2/3 students stay for a second year. Many of those students continued to learn in other Yeshivas after their second year at OJ. They go to places like the Mir and, Beis, TOMO, and American Yeshivas like Shur Yashuv and Yeshiva Gedola of the 5 towns.
My point is that OJ is a yeshiva that caters to MO kids and ‘flips them out’. Many MO yeshivas give a similar type of foundation for students. Each place has its own unique approach to how they do that. But their goals are all the same. They all want to teach Torah true values. And they try to accommodate different types of students to their own needs. There is no one size fits all approach to learning which makes it more important for there to be different styles of teaching to fit each persons’ skill set.February 29, 2016 11:31 am at 11:31 am #1140383
What if you’re not looking for the boy to “flip out”, but to continue to be MO, but also be a serious ben Torah with yiras Shamayim.February 29, 2016 2:09 pm at 2:09 pm #1140384
@Jacoby Look into Netiv Aryeh, Torat Shraga, Lev Hatorah, Reishit, Mevaseret, Aish, Shaalav, KBY, Gush, Hakotel. Those are just some places that I can think of off the top of my head.
The boy could become a serious Ben Torah at any of these places. It just depends on his personality.February 29, 2016 2:19 pm at 2:19 pm #1140385ronald9Participant
Har Etzion (Gush) is obviously the most famous MO Yeshiva. KBY is a little more “yeshivish” but a lot of the kids come from MO backgrounds. Shaalavim, Hakotel and Maale Adummim are the other main Hesder yeshivas that cater to MO foreigners. If you would like less of a high level of learning, but also great kids, there is Torat Shraaga, Eretz Hatzvi, Netiv Aryeh, and others. Check the YU Israel Program Website website for a full list.February 29, 2016 2:29 pm at 2:29 pm #1140386DaMosheParticipant
I’ve been very selective about what threads I’d post in since I returned. I’ve been trying to avoid anything which would lead me towards negative thoughts. I thought a thread about a yeshiva recommendation would be ok. Unfortunately, Joseph and HaKatan have proved me wrong.
Perhaps I was mistaken, and no threads are “safe”.February 29, 2016 2:41 pm at 2:41 pm #1140387aquestioningjewParticipant
Don’t forget Toras MosheFebruary 29, 2016 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #1140388☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
The last thread you should think is “safe” is one with the word “Modern” in the title.February 29, 2016 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm #1140389
AS DY pointed out, the word “Modern” is in the title of the thread. Given the gedolim’s views on “MO”, it would not appear likely that this thread would thus be to your liking.February 29, 2016 7:54 pm at 7:54 pm #1140390February 29, 2016 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #1140391
Thank you to all for your responses.
Joseph – My research has been telling me that the boys in the top MO yeshivas (KBY, Shalavim, and Gush) are just as serious as the boys in some of the charedi yeshivos that have been mentioned.
Certainly if you go to their websites, their sedarim/full day schedules seem quite rigorous and on par with the charedi yeshivos.
For example, KBY seems to have morning seder 6 days a week, and then seder on Motz”S! I dont know if the boys all go, but that is quite impressive.February 29, 2016 10:52 pm at 10:52 pm #1140392writersoulParticipant
Netiv has the potential to flip a guy out. Be warned. It can really depend which shiur the guy ends up in. Torat Shraga, etc are similar but I think less so.
Just saying, TALK TO PEOPLE about each yeshiva. Not just on the internet. Since each yeshiva is different and good for different kinds of kids, it’s super important. There are serious mixed reviews on some of these places.
ToMo is NOT MO. Some MO guys go there, but it’s a yeshivish place. Everyone I’ve known who’s gone has been yeshivish already, not just flipping out- similar to Mercaz, etc.
KBY, Shaalvim and Gush all have mixes of boys- as do all yeshivos. But all of them have the capability for a really serious boy to succeed and grow. Shaalvim has more of a reputation for being warm, KBY has a reputation for being serious, Gush (kind of) has a reputation for being more open-minded, though that doesn’t necessarily mean anything. I don’t know much about Maale Adumim’s Anglo population.
(Before anyone asks- my information comes from sisters of attendees, Israel coordinators at MO high schools, and a very close family member who works for one of the above schools and through whom I’ve had a pretty close view.)March 1, 2016 7:54 pm at 7:54 pm #1140393
Thank you!March 2, 2016 12:55 am at 12:55 am #1140394dovrosenbaumParticipant
A good yeshiva with a mix of really smart, chilled guys is Bircas haTorah.March 2, 2016 8:12 am at 8:12 am #1140395
I would not classify Birchas Hatorah as a MO yeshiva. The new rosh yeshiva has turned it into a more yeshivish place.March 2, 2016 12:04 pm at 12:04 pm #11403961Jersey1Participant
I have heard a lot of good things about a Yeshiva called Yishrei Lev. They are in there 6th year and get a mix of kids from the American Orthodox Spectrum from TABC to Sharei Torah. On their website, they write “Yeshivat Yishrei Lev prepares its students for a lifetime of dedication to Limud HaTorah, Klal Yisrael, and Eretz Yisrael. Students will develop the perspective that their own personal achievements, in all areas, should be directed to the enhancement of Kiddush Shem Shamayim. Yishrei Lev’s unique environment of warmth and enthusiasm aims to produce Bnei Torah, Baalei Middos, and future Talmidei Chachamim of the highest caliber. Yishrei Lev’s Talmidim will have the vision to become the next generation of Jewish leaders.” The Yeshiva is a break off of OJ as the Rosh Yeshiva, Mashgiach and Rosh Kollel all taught there for over a decade, it is similar, but, most of the boys who come in are more serious. I hope this is helpful!March 2, 2016 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #1140397
I don’t think he was questioning how much learning they do in MO places.
As Rav Schwab begged the MO decades ago, they should abandon their stale and fossilized “modernity” and join the true modern Orthodox, the traditional Orthodox binei Torah.March 2, 2016 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #1140398charliehallParticipant
“abandon their stale and fossilized “modernity” “
Source for the Rav Schwab quote?March 2, 2016 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm #1140399☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantMarch 4, 2016 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #1140400sefardi guyParticipant
I think Rabbi Senders is a decent placeMarch 6, 2016 8:36 pm at 8:36 pm #1140401HockPurposesOnlyParticipant
@sefardiguy Senders in monsey or Senters in israel? they’re both not MOMarch 7, 2016 12:18 am at 12:18 am #1140402anon1m0usParticipant
You have Ponavitch, Mir, etc….lots of MO are there discussed as shtark yeshiva bochurim.
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