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  • #609893
    oldlady
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    We all know that the media highlights the news they want and totally ignores the news that they don’t want covered. I though YWN was above that. What was the point of totally ignoring a peaceful protest by at least a thousand people and a hundred Rabbonim. It so happens that Rabbi Shapiro’s speech did explain a view that some people don’t seem to understand.

    #963636
    Y.W. Editor
    Keymaster

    YWN had no knowledge of this protest.

    Satmar does not inform YWN of their events. No press releases were sent to the media from anyone involved. And if they did, they chose to deliberately ignore YWN.

    The only thing we have is approximately 100 photos which were sent to us earlier today, which were loaded in the YWN Photo Gallery.

    http://theyeshivaworld.com/photos.php?albumid=5896131942623336849

    Now, what is your issue exactly?

    #963637
    Mammele
    Participant

    Her issue I’d assume is that after YWN gave extremely biased coverage of the NYC protest (possibly only because of Kornblu) it would have been nice if they tried to make amends by giving positive coverage now. At least that’s my issue. And FTR I don’t think this protest was only sanctioned by Satmar. If someone is part of the frum Jewish media I think it would be hard NOT to know.

    #963638
    charliehall
    Participant

    Baruch HaShem that an anti-Israel protest in Europe by Jews has been ignored! It was bad enough that there was such a protest in New York, a place where most of the population likes Jews, but in Europe??? This is asking for trouble for the hundreds of thousands of Jews who still live in Europe!!!

    If you oppose the Israeli government, make aliyah and protest THERE!

    #963639
    Biology (joseph)
    Participant

    OP: Thanks for posting. I was unaware of it until this thread. Perhaps the main site can post a story now. Better late than never. I’m sure a lot of other people are also interested.

    #963640
    Mammele
    Participant

    Charlie: you are actually advocating that people who oppose the Israeli government should make aliah?

    And when Yidden in E.Y. will protest are you going to be among those that say “if you’re not appreciative of the Israeli military etc. move to chu”l?” Just wondering…

    #963641
    WIY
    Member

    I would like to know what the Manhattan protest accomplished besides for mass bittul Torah and exposing people unnecessarily to pritzus (see pictures of event)?

    #963642
    Mammele
    Participant

    WIY: Satmar Rebbe ZT”L used to say ?????? ???, ???? ????????”. Nevertheless, more was accomplished than you realize. This was but one battle in a larger “campaign”. It demonstrated to the Zionists that our brothers in Eretz Yisroel are not hefker, showed the world (Jews & non-Jews) that our priority is Torah not nationalism, and served as a wake up call to all of us not to be complacent and have empathy with our religious brethren abroad. When it hurts — you scream, goes the Yiddish saying.

    To preserve the Torah we must do what we need to do, which sometimes means laying down the Gemara temporarily so that others may also have the option of learning and staying pure.

    Unfortunately pritzus is found in Brooklyn too. Some people can take a lesson in guarding their eyes from you… (For those wondering I’m referring to the sidewalk chalk thread.)

    I’m aware I won’t convince the skeptics here. I’m only addressing those that are not blinded by Zionism.

    #963643
    mdd
    Member

    Oldlady, what did that small protest accomplish?

    #963644
    takahmamash
    Participant

    Charlie: you are actually advocating that people who oppose the Israeli government should make aliah?

    Of course you should make aliyah, that is, if your concerned about fulfilling as many mitzvot as is possible to do nowadays.

    Remember: living in E”Y is a mitzva d’orayta. Wearing a hat is only a chumra. Don’t mix the two up.

    #963645
    heretohelp
    Member

    When Europeans and other Goyim see people with black hats and beards protesting against Israel, they say to themselves “see, its ok for us to hate Israel and support its enemies, even some of them do.”

    #963646
    charliehall
    Participant

    “you are actually advocating that people who oppose the Israeli government should make aliah?”

    If they are Jewish, yes! It is a mitzvah!!!

    “if you’re not appreciative of the Israeli military etc. move to chu”l?”

    All Jews should have hakarat hatov for an army that protects five million Jews. Whether it should change some of its policies is an unrelated issue.

    #963647
    akuperma
    Participant

    1. It wasn’t that big. The ones in New York and Jerusalem have been much bigger. It seemed like a “me too” demonstration.

    2. It’s just “spring training” – the real season begins in a few weeks when (and if) they attempt to conscript yeshiva students (perhaps a better analogy would be to “July 1914” when everything was positioning for war, but war hadn’t broken out yet). I suspect most people expect a compromise (e.g. conscientious objection or psychological unfitness profiles for those who refuse to serve, economic incentives for those who choose to enlist).

    3. If they attempt to conscript anti-zionists (i.e. those who hold that a Jewish state at this time is contrary to halacha, and who with a staight face can say they would prefer to live in Islamic Palestine rather than Zionist Israel), they will be able to generate serious publicity that will be exploited by Israel’s enemies (though also, the publicity for a frum peace movement creates many opportunities for kiruv, since many secular Jews identify Torah with militarism and will be impressed to see a very frum peace movement).

    #963648
    Mammele
    Participant

    Akuperma: although the Brussels protest was small in comparison, it lended international credence to the fight against conscription. Also, since Europeans are generally perceived as more “laid-back” and they had to travel further to particpate, the very fact that many still showed up strengthened their message.

    #963649
    akuperma
    Participant

    Mammele,

    Patience is good. The fireworks haven’t started yet. If they carry through with their threat of mass arrests, the first “aktion” will trigger massive demonstrations that all will notice, and perhaps set in motion a process that will undermine the continued existence of the state. — or — perhaps the zionists will decide that all they really want is not to subsidize yeshivos and will drop the matter without arresting people and be content to stop funding non-zionist yeshivos

    #963650
    lesschumras
    Participant

    Akuperma, I saw an interesting statistic. The law requiring army service wasn’t passed until the 1970s. Until then a large percentage of chareidim did not learn full time. Ironically,it seems the universal learning currently exists was created by a zionist law

    #963651
    temimus
    Member

    lesschumras: That isn’t surprising. The reason some Chareidim are officially registered in Yeshiva is precisely in order to avoid Army service. There is no doubt about that from any side of the debate. The issue is that many Chareidim have a philosophical and theological religious objection to serving in the Army.

    So before they were legally required to serve in the Army they didn’t need to register in Yeshiva. They just went to work. Since for the past number of decades they do have that legal obligation, they avoid by registering in a Yeshiva. Now, though, they cannot work legally. Nevertheless, their religious objection to serving is stronger than their need to work.

    Now they can cloak their objection to serving in the Army by technically/officially being registered in Yeshiva. If they change the law disallowing that, the Chareidim will still have the same religious/theological objection to serving in the Israeli Army. So they will need to resist it in ways other than registering in a Yeshiva. They will simply have to defy the new law requiring their being drafted. After all, their religious beliefs will take precedence. And it is the same religious beliefs they’ve had since the founding of the State (and before.)

    If it means thousands of Chareidim going to jail rather than the Army, they are ready for that sacrifice. You don’t seriously expect Brisker Talmidim or Satmar Chasidim to actually being IDF soldiers, do you? Everyone knows that will never happen. Even if there is a new law saying they must serve.

    #963652
    akuperma
    Participant

    Conscription was adopted in 1948-1949. Military service in Israel has never been voluntary since the medinah became independent. The various legal mechanisms have varied.

    If they abolished conscription (similar to most western democracies) or allowed for conscientious objection based on religious grounds (as they do for women), a large number of hareidim would work “on the books” (rather than for jobs within the frum community, as they do now). Given the horrendous conditions of military service (from a Ben Torah perspective, a dati leumi baal ha-bayit who follows less humras might find it more tolerable), being registered as learning full time is the only way of avoiding military service.

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