November 14, 2014 12:40 pm at 12:40 pm #614249mercuryMember
I am/was trying to bid on a beautiful diamond necklace I saw on eBay. The problem is the biding ends tonight, Friday night. I’ve put in max bids (and won) on items in the past without even realizing the auction ends over a shabbos. Now my husband tells me its assur. He asked his father, a rav and posek (who tends to be machmir about everything) and he told him it is infact assur and I am not allowed becuase my intentions are to make a deal/sale and even if I dont win my computer automatically bids for me on my behalf making it as if I am physically bidding at that moment. Such a thing never even occured to me as. Has anyone else ever come across this issue?November 14, 2014 2:02 pm at 2:02 pm #1042425
If your husband asked and was told it’s assur, unless you can determine that the facts are different than those assumed by the posek, I don’t think you can put in a bid for a heter.November 14, 2014 4:45 pm at 4:45 pm #1042426
Sellers on eBay do not like when bidders bid and dont Pay, not only do you have to Beg for your Fees Back, you dont get a sale that you were promised.
I will not disagree with he Psak if the bid was not already made, however if the Bid WAS already made there could be an issue of Stealing and Genevas Daas as well since the seller thinks he will have a sale and you dont pay.
eBay charges Fees as well, most of those fees are refundable if the buyer backs off, but it takes a few weeks to get them back, but some fees might be lost and you cost the seller money depending how he listed it.November 14, 2014 5:15 pm at 5:15 pm #1042427
Zahavasdad, can one retract a bid before the auction ends?November 14, 2014 5:22 pm at 5:22 pm #1042428appdevParticipant
You can’t retract a bid on ebay.
if your husband got a psak from his father then you really shouldn’t go shopping for a new psak…
I’d venture to say that your shalom ba’yis is worth more that the necklace…
(if not then we have a bigger issue here lol)November 14, 2014 5:24 pm at 5:24 pm #1042429
It depends how much time is left on an auction, I belive if there is less than 24 hours less (Or maybe 12 Hours) you cannot. If there is more then you can usuallyNovember 14, 2014 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #1042430
Realistically since I think there is a possible issue of Genevia in more than one way, Its not shopping for another Psak, but rather new information that the Posek did not know.November 14, 2014 6:21 pm at 6:21 pm #1042431mercuryMember
I am not asking for a new psak. I was just shocked because such an idea never popped into my head that I was doing melacha. I have retracted bids on eBay before, you just have to ask the seller to do it for you. Many sellers are willing to retract bids for legit reasons, esp if it means costing them positive feedback. I retracted bids at least twice so it is possible. I already know for a fact I ended up winning things over shabbos and paid for it afterwards never thinking it was a problem. His father went even so far to say that I should never put in a max bid even if the item is still up for bid over shabbos because I may still end up automaticly bidding over a shabbos. So even if a listing ends on Monday, I should wait till after to put in a bid. Anyway, it doesnt matter I was outbid this morning and now wont rebid for the necklace.November 16, 2014 7:09 am at 7:09 am #1042432barlevParticipant
Why don’t you use the shabbos app? Should solve all the problems 🙂November 17, 2014 1:28 am at 1:28 am #1042433ED IT ORParticipant
Shouldn’t your husband be buying you your jewellery?November 17, 2014 4:04 am at 4:04 am #1042435👑RebYidd23Participant
Husbands shouldn’t buy jewelry on Ebay.November 17, 2014 8:23 am at 8:23 am #1042436tefillin rabbiParticipant
while you need to follow the psak of your posek, I asked this shaila to my posek and he said there’s no issue so it’s far from straightforward and each person should consult his rav.November 17, 2014 5:04 pm at 5:04 pm #1042437ChaimyParticipant
Usually an auction can be ended early if the seller wants to, therefore it might not be considered that you bought it on Shabbos, even though that is the last chance that someone can outbid you.November 17, 2014 6:16 pm at 6:16 pm #1042438ChaimyParticipant
Am I allowed to have the lights on in my house on Shabbos or the refrigerator plugged in, What if my billing cycle ends on Shabbos? Is this different than an auction that ends on Shabbos?November 17, 2014 7:03 pm at 7:03 pm #1042439
YesNovember 17, 2014 9:59 pm at 9:59 pm #1042440
There are opinions (Not the Posek the OP asked) thats its not a halachic sale because a kinyan did not occur.
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