July 9, 2020 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #1881042
Biden plans on bringing in 11 Million illegal immigtants. He now openly supports defunding police. The most anti-israel people would be in his administration. A vote for Biden and demis a vote against Jews and for the end of America.July 9, 2020 10:13 pm at 10:13 pm #1881046
and is a vote for the DNC hes just a puppet with dementiaJuly 9, 2020 10:14 pm at 10:14 pm #1881049GadolhadorahParticipant
1…..The 11 million “illegal” immigrants are already here. The vast majority do the jobs that Americans won’t do and according to DOJ, have a crime rate that is lower than the national average (notwithstanding the constant Trump lies to the contrary. Biden has a strong pro-Israel record and has consistently opposed the boycott etc. demands of the left-wing of the Democratic Party. After his incredibly disgusting and moronic comments about the virus, Biden looks a lot better than another 4 years of the status quo.July 10, 2020 12:26 am at 12:26 am #1881080
It’s not the 90s. Bidens campaign is getting taken over by the radical left who are against Israel.July 10, 2020 12:26 am at 12:26 am #1881078
Gadolhatorah is right. Republicans have no decent arguments against Biden and have to resort to falsehoods.
How many Americans have to die before they realize that Trump does not care about American lives?July 10, 2020 1:21 am at 1:21 am #1881099HealthParticipant
GH -“The 11 million “illegal” immigrants are already here.”
I actually can’t wait. They’ll let in Millions of Hispanics.
They’ll will make the US – The New Mexico!
“The vast majority do the jobs that Americans won’t do and according to DOJ, have a crime rate that is lower than the national average”
Good bye to the DemonCrats & to Supposed Molester Biden!
They are very religious & all the Lib Laws that were created by these liberals, will be History!July 10, 2020 1:22 am at 1:22 am #1881101
Immigration is as American as one can be. I’m not sure why pro-immigration is a detriment. As Jews we can appreciate it. The pandemic will significantly reduce America’s global influence. Not everything is because of who is president.July 10, 2020 1:22 am at 1:22 am #1881102
Mr. Biden had the same trouble with his way of talking, forty years ago.July 10, 2020 1:23 am at 1:23 am #1881103
According to the analytical research, Mr. Biden tracks in the 70-80% on all liberal trends. Which is about as moderate as one can be.
Interesting that he refers to himself a a liberal advocate. Well, he could use the OP as a reference.July 10, 2020 2:35 pm at 2:35 pm #1881173CTLAWYERParticipant
always posting LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Biden is NOT bring in 11 million illegal immigrants. These people are already in the USA. If the President brought in people by changing rules or standards, the newcomers would NOT be illegal.
Some of us would like to cut some police funding. The police in my town are a racist bunch who profile and stop people for Driving While Black. The department has been sanctioned by the State of CT..,
You don;t know who he’ll appoint in his administration and that they’ll be anti-Israel…you have no crystal ball,
Certainly Satmar is anti-Israel and you are not screaming they are scum.July 10, 2020 2:35 pm at 2:35 pm #1881174CTLAWYERParticipant
Moderate is a relative term.
I have been a delegate to the Democrat National Convention many times over the years. I am a Biden Delegate to our state convention,
Compared to the other candidate on our ballot August 11…Bernie Sanders, Biden is a moderate.July 10, 2020 2:39 pm at 2:39 pm #1881191☕️coffee addictParticipant
“have a crime rate that is lower than the national average”
The only reason is because of the other democrat base
The African AmericansJuly 10, 2020 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1881210anonymous JewParticipant
To Charlie Hall,Gh,Ctl,
The three of you keep misrepresenting immigration as a whole, and Trump’s position in particular.
The U.S. has a right to decide who can immigrate into the country. Yet the 3 of you act like we are outliers. For example, Canadian immigration is largely limited to skilled individuals.
Trump is against Illegal mmigrants, not legal ones. Nobody has a right to enter the US . It was your sainted FDR who turned away the St.Louis and sent its Jewish passengers back to Europe and death.
Biden has yet to take a position on the looting. He has already abandoned inner city kids education by promising to cut off funding to charter schools and waste more money ( without accountability) on public schools. His 8 years with Obama demonstrate he has no clue on the economy and giving Warren and AOC major roles does not portend good outcomes.July 10, 2020 5:56 pm at 5:56 pm #1881250
“How many Americans have to die before they realize that Trump does not care about American lives?”
the stupidity you think trump is responsible for corona
and Biden also thinks its a 120 million Americans that died for coron a/trumpJuly 10, 2020 5:59 pm at 5:59 pm #1881251AyiddishekupParticipant
To all who say Trump is against immigration, except for certain Arab countries where the immigration officials themselves admitted they couldn’t vet them all who were let in by the Obama administration who else is he against? The Mexicans he lets thru LEGAL ways only so where do you see he’s anti-immigration in general?July 10, 2020 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #1881263anonymous JewParticipant
And, again to my 3 friends, your misrepresentation of Trump as being anti Muslim rests with his banning entry from ,i think it was 8 countries, who either had no central government ( Somalia) or otherwise could not or would not vet for terrorists on their soil. The majority were Muslim countries and the list had been prepared by Obama !July 10, 2020 7:05 pm at 7:05 pm #1881267
Our president Trump is a know at all who fires and isolates anyone disagreeing with him including Dr. Falci rather than wanting to hear their ideas. Therefore, he is responsible for the corona. A smart person knows what he doesn’t know and looks for the best advice.July 10, 2020 7:11 pm at 7:11 pm #1881269
Reb Eliezer- you are obviously a very intelligent yid and a talmid chochom. It is therefore very difficult ti hear such ridiculous words come out of such a person. You might consider stepping back from political discussionsJuly 10, 2020 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #1881271
I have proof from the fact that the Beis Hilel allowed the Beis Shamai to make their view known before they revealed their view as an indicatiion of their humility. President Trump fired everyone of his great advisors including General Matis. If you sure about yourself, you are not afraid to hear an opposing view which might reveal your lack of knowledge. This only indicates an inferiority complex. None of the previous presidents behaved this way.July 10, 2020 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm #1881276
But you have no proof that he doesn’t listen. You made it up and/or got it from the fake reports. Some people around him have complained of exactly the opposite, that he listens, but doesn’t always follow the advice.
Either way, i have lost interest in trying to disprove your points, but when an intelligent mature man can say trump caused the coronavirus, im just embarrassed for your kovod.July 11, 2020 11:37 pm at 11:37 pm #1881310
Syag, as your name indicates together with the words silent and listen is tbe road you should follow.July 11, 2020 11:37 pm at 11:37 pm #1881308
Trump has pre-conceived notions and doesn’t want to follow tbe advice of anybody with whom he disagrees.July 11, 2020 11:38 pm at 11:38 pm #1881315
If we follow not doing anything for coronavirus, we end up like Sweden. The federal government is suppose to take leadership to have uniforn laws for all states otherwise one state infects another which was recommended by the health authorities. The US is worse than anywhere in the world except Sweden.July 12, 2020 11:29 am at 11:29 am #1881424
Trump defended an anti Muslim stance during his 2016 campaign. He will not come out and say he is anti Muslim, that would be dumb and pointless. One thing he is not, is out of touch. By the way, I do not fault him for being anti-Muslim. Almost everyone above seventy is. (Except Muslims. And those who thought hard about it,)July 12, 2020 11:29 am at 11:29 am #1881425
The USA stood as a beacon for open immigration for centuries. I consider immigration to be the main builder of the US into a world power.July 12, 2020 12:26 pm at 12:26 pm #1881465
n0mesorah ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. What do you democrats not compute?July 12, 2020 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm #1881469
1, When you restrict legal immigration without any exceptions, they will come illegaly.July 12, 2020 2:07 pm at 2:07 pm #1881477
Trump pushed states to open early and now schools.July 12, 2020 2:07 pm at 2:07 pm #1881478
reb eliezer no one banned/restricted all legal immigration SO your pretense is falseJuly 12, 2020 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm #1881484
This will go down in history as the Trump pandemic. There was no coordinated federal response. This crises does not line up with The President’s strengths. I do not blame his poor handling. But the break down of our national and federal institutions, is a major theme of this administration. And for better or for worse, (At this point, the terrible.) his name will be associated with this pandemic. Much like President Hoover with the Great Depression.July 12, 2020 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm #1881483
Who cares?July 12, 2020 2:20 pm at 2:20 pm #1881495
Oh, well if you’ve got the inside scoop on the future who am I to argue.July 12, 2020 3:15 pm at 3:15 pm #1881546
This is the present. It is happening as we type. I wonder why you have such a hard time with this point. Trump’s campaigns leaned heavily on streamlining an obese government.July 12, 2020 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #1881577
No country has a free for all immigration. Even liberal Canada has standards.July 12, 2020 7:12 pm at 7:12 pm #1881602
Some countries have open immigration. The US had until 1882. Why would immigration (legal, illegal, child, asylum seeker, or UFO) be a problem?July 12, 2020 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm #1881646
“Some countries have open immigration. The US had until 1882. Why would immigration (legal, illegal, child, asylum seeker, or UFO) be a problem?” its pretty obvious why we cant allow just everyone inJuly 13, 2020 2:15 am at 2:15 am #1881658Doing my bestParticipant
The main reason why the immigration laws of 100-200 years ago aren’t feasible is because back then once you came into the country you were on your own. If you didn’t have money for healthcare for example, then you died. It was that simple.
Nowadays it would cost tens of thousands of dollars to support a single immigrant until they found a well paying job, America can’t afford to take in millions of people a year.
I personally feel that the correct strategy would be to teach immigrants English when they come in, have live in schools to bring them up to a full high school education, and then help them with job placement. In order for this to work, I believe in a policy forcing every company which sells goods in the USA to produce 50% of their goods in America. The government can even subsidize the added cost up to the amount of tax money generated from the new jobs. This I believe should result in a healthy job market.July 13, 2020 8:35 am at 8:35 am #1881706
There is nothing in the US Constitution that gives the federal government the authority to limit immigration. And indeed for a century there were no limits and the ciuntry thrived.July 13, 2020 8:35 am at 8:35 am #1881707
You and the other Trump supporters here woukd have opposed allowing the St. Louis passengers to enter thr US. They woukd have been illegal immigrants. The support by Jews for Trump’s racist immigration ideas shows that Jews on the political Right have completely assimilated into the worst of American society. They ma1y keep Shabbat and kashrut but they don’t think like Jews.July 13, 2020 8:37 am at 8:37 am #1881708
Unless you know someone the waiting list for a legal permanent resident visa from Mexico is decades long. The Trump supporters here would have the US round up smore Mexicans than Hitler rounded up Jews.July 13, 2020 9:01 am at 9:01 am #1881722
charlie- now you have really gone off the deep end! I am so sick and tired of people sticking hitler comparisons where they don’t belong. Shame on you! Shame on you for accusing people that are against giving illegal immigrants more rights than some poor americans have, or wanting them vetted, of committing homicide against a nation. Shame on you for drawing an analogy between people asking to send people back to their own country unless they undergo a citizenship process with mass murder, starvation, shooting people on the edge of mass graves, sending dogs to chew newborns, performing experiments on women’s bodies and gassing people. Do I need to go on?
I am sick and tired of listening to people so deranged with hatred that they don’t even care what comes spewing out of their mouths anymore. Enough already.July 13, 2020 9:54 am at 9:54 am #1881735Ben LeviParticipant
It’s cute how any time that you a Liberal Democrat cannot win a debate on facts they resort to insults.
Facts: Comparing Open Borders prior to the era of the welfare state to the era of the welfare state is a purposeful ignoring of reality.
Facts: I have a business and I actually produce things in the USA. I have visited these towns. I have been in these factories. These places were decimated by Democrat policies. These jobs were destroyed by Democrat policies.
To accuse people who simply wish for their own country to not continuously stab them in the back of being akin to Hitler ym”s is disgusting.July 13, 2020 12:33 pm at 12:33 pm #1881782jackkParticipant
What made America your country ?
The Irish and Italian’s immigrants that were here in 1930 before the influx of European Jewish immigration also felt that this was there country. Was it proper for them to try to keep America a white american catholic county?
Does the freedom of religion and worship enshrined in the constitution teach us that America was founded on allowing all peoples to come here and make a contribution to the melting pot?
What democratic policies are you referring to that decimated factories and towns?
Many republican policies have destroyed towns and factories.July 13, 2020 12:35 pm at 12:35 pm #1881798
You are making a very strong argument fort immigration. Continue with open immigration, and the need and size of the welfare state would be greatly diminished. I agree.
The immigration debate starts before the modern liberal entered american politics. Also, immigration was never seen as a partisan issue. Closing the borders coincided with the darkest chapters of US history. Where do you think it it leading us now?July 13, 2020 1:58 pm at 1:58 pm #1881855
I think you are incorrect. The immigrant came to America with hopes of making it work by themselves. The troubles you refer to, where of people capitalizing on immigrants naivete, to get them to invest in failing ventures. The most famous example would be selling them a share in The Brooklyn Bridge.July 13, 2020 2:18 pm at 2:18 pm #1881837
I strongly disagree with your comparison. The question today, is one of ignorance. Americans (as a whole) know very little about what goes on all over the globe. Even in countries that we have committed billions of dollars in financial aid plus military expenses. Mostly, it is because of the diminishing role of the main stream media. We are out of touch with the massive amount of global suffering there is today. Americans are not looking at immigrants as sub-human or a threat to american culture.
The comparison here is a bit like the political sentiment around the Immigration Act of 1924. The descendants of the earlier immigrants are once again thinking that they represent some ideal of a Americanism, even though they vigorously state that there is no such concept. To protect this homogeneity, they raise objections to various immigrant groups. Probably, because they realize that their own decendants have less interest in American culture, than first generation Americans.
The issue with Jewish was best displayed by a frum author in a major right wing paper. He was describing Roosevelt’s WWII borders policies as misguided only in that should have made exceptions based on the Holocaust. This is an expose on Liberal Jews trying to portray themselves as right wing Conservatives. Being children or grandchildren of immigrants, having grown up around major cities, living in the Northeast, and a major stress on Torah education, they are completely out of touch with what life means for the average American. Trump supporters are not racist, or trying to round up anyone. they are completely oblivious to what it means to work as hard as can just to achieve a decent life.July 13, 2020 2:53 pm at 2:53 pm #1881882
“Trump supporters are not racist, or trying to round up anyone. they are completely oblivious to what it means to work as hard as can just to achieve a decent life.”
Where do you come up with this stuff?July 13, 2020 4:51 pm at 4:51 pm #1881901☕️coffee addictParticipant
I pressed send to early
What he doesn’t understand is illegal immigration is no different that robbing a bank to feed one’s familyJuly 13, 2020 7:23 pm at 7:23 pm #1881925Ben LeviParticipant
I fail to see why in the world someone who want control on borders and an orderly immigration process is against “immigration”.
No they are not.
Just as Trump who is actually married to an immigrant who speaks with a heavy accent cannot be “against” immigrants.
However being pro-immigrants does not mean having no border.
(And by the way I never referred to America as “my” country)July 14, 2020 6:29 pm at 6:29 pm #1882237
jack-“What made America your country ?” the fact that my grandparents came here LEGALLY and i was born here
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