May 10, 2021 12:49 am at 12:49 am #1972289
Here’s something YWN didn’t pick up from their AP feed.May 10, 2021 2:19 am at 2:19 am #1972366LostsparkParticipant
I’m more surprised that you are surprised at this point.
I’m sure there will plenty of CR frequenters that will be willing to defend this as well.May 10, 2021 8:49 am at 8:49 am #1972377
big deal. just another gaffe. I’m impressed he didn’t omit any other words.May 10, 2021 8:51 am at 8:51 am #1972424☕️coffee addictParticipant
Good point, why hasn’t Ywn put out an article about that?
My only other answer to the editor being a closet liberal is that it wasn’t on AP and the editor wasn’t interested in doing the work to get information from other sources (which was done in the past)May 10, 2021 9:20 am at 9:20 am #1972460Reb EliezerParticipant
Biden is more religious than Trunp.May 10, 2021 9:22 am at 9:22 am #1972472
When devout Catholic Joe Biden refers to G-d, he is referring to “the father, the son, and the holy ghost.” Is it good for the Jews for a US president to do that? Hashem does not need the support of any Earthly political leaders. Do you?May 10, 2021 9:22 am at 9:22 am #1972481
It seems to me, that there are too few headlines on many Jewish sites there days.May 10, 2021 9:23 am at 9:23 am #1972483jackkParticipant
The point is irrelevant, laughable and ludicrous.
Besides the point being stupid, in a video message commemorating the National Day of Prayer, Biden said: “By the grace of God and the extraordinary work of researches and scientists, we have vaccines that have proven to be safe and effective … Thank you for your prayers and may God Bless you and all those you love and are concerned about on this day and every day.”
FYI, G-D was mentioned in the declaration, just not the real One that we pray to. At the end, Biden writes that this proclamation was signed in “the year of our Lord two thousand twenty-one.”
Maybe we can now see the gadlus of Chazal when they left Hashem’s name out of the Megillah which was a Persian Public Document.May 10, 2021 1:24 pm at 1:24 pm #1972561
So why didn’t he say it in the actual prayer. You’ll really spin anything Biden does.May 10, 2021 2:38 pm at 2:38 pm #1972586
One who is convinced that Biden does not have a deeply religious side, does not worship The God That Is Truth.May 10, 2021 4:39 pm at 4:39 pm #1972648
Biden is a bad Catholic and a bad human being.
He is devoid of any true morality. He supports the most evil and ugly moral infractions, including abortion on demand. It is of no surprise he wants nothing to do with G-d; G-d wants nothing to do with him. He is an illegitimate president and a fake Catholic.May 10, 2021 7:05 pm at 7:05 pm #1972692
random realization: there were 2 catholic presidents–one was the youngest , the other the oldest.May 10, 2021 8:40 pm at 8:40 pm #1972735
Biden is senile. He’s simply a puppet with others pulling his strings.May 10, 2021 9:30 pm at 9:30 pm #1972758
Dear Dov Rosenbaum,
There are a lot greater evils than abortion on demand.
It is really weird to me, that you will twist someone who had a deep experience with religion and twist it into something useless to fit a political outlook.
My God transcends all my political positions.May 10, 2021 10:54 pm at 10:54 pm #1972767
Ripping a baby out of the womb is an atrocity.
Biden is a wicked man and so is his entire party.May 10, 2021 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm #1972769
n0mesora: If someone (ie Biden on abortion) supports evil which isn’t the greatest evil, he’s okay for being evil or supporting evil since there’s another greater evil he perhaps isn’t necessarily supporting?May 10, 2021 10:56 pm at 10:56 pm #1972771
RebE > Biden is more religious than Trunp.
He does often sound sincerely religious. But you have to remember that Biden spent his life in politics, focusing on messaging and scheming. He can recite slogans smoothly and knows which segments of population he addresses. Trump is focused on action. Was there anything religious in his strengthening of Yerushalaim, or was it purely political calculation?
We have midrashim about various rulers – Alexander, Cyrus, and worse ones, relating to Hashem in some way, especially when their actions affect Jews and Eretz Israel.
When thinking about that, you probably need to think about people when they are at their best, not their worst. When Trump is for his own ego, or when Biden pretends that he couldn’t find vaccines under the table in the oval office, there is nothing religious there.May 10, 2021 10:58 pm at 10:58 pm #1972773
the story I liked about Biden & religion (hope it is true, and not lifted from Kinnock): a nun made fun of his stuttering. His mother came to school and kicked the nun’s bonnet off suggesting she does not do it any more. This might explain, if not excuse, his expected stifling of religious schools from all his handouts.May 11, 2021 12:11 am at 12:11 am #1972804
Biden had a deeply religious response to getting his life back in order after massive personal tragedy. Then it happened again on the national political stage. The biggest atheists I know, would have to admit that his reactions were genuine.
On the other hand Trump’s biography, leaves almost on place for religious conviction. Though he does have a genuine side to. He just completely squashes it go front of the cameras.May 11, 2021 12:13 am at 12:13 am #1972826
Dear Dov Rosenbaum,
Abortion on demand is a value of life question. Truthfully speaking, Joe Biden knows an awful lot about losing our on life. He is not pro abortion. He thinks it is not the State’s place to force proper values on the people. Just so you should know.
But my real point was, That someone who believes that abortion is a great took for society to control population or add more liberties or some other stupid reason, is not on the same par as a gangster who destroys an entire village just to set an example. Or someone who just randomly kills people of a certain ethnicity. Or aforces his countrymen into a bloody civil war. I could go on and on and on. There is a lot of real evil in our day.
Thank Hashem that the biggest debates around our pro life values, are only a measly pandemic and abortion.May 11, 2021 8:07 am at 8:07 am #1972838
To go along with your supposition, merely lending support to a mile evil is nothing in the face of those that daily command that atrocities take place on innocent people. I am much more squeamish on that Biden will probably do nothing to stop the reigns of terror going on around the globe. Much like the previous two presidents have done nothing. Remember how aghast Americans were at Clinton for doing nothing about Serbia.May 11, 2021 8:12 am at 8:12 am #1972841
n0mesorah – I don’t know whether we can read their psychos correctly. Again, take into account that Biden is more polished. He is a politician. That is all he ever did. He does not need to run after cameras and tweet, they respectfully come to him. Trump had to fight for the spotlight even when he was a president. Yes, he had personal tragedies. He needs to be respected for that. And yes, he is willing to say what is needed to get elected or achieve his other political goals.
One sign of who the person truly is – is what the person does when he has a free choice, that is he is not benefitting from what he says or does. That is why it was sad, but instructive, to hear Biden and others disparaging Trump’s vaccine efforts. He would not lose much by acknowledging what was done, but he did not. Well, maybe I underestimate what the left-wingers would say, I don’t know.
Another siman – look at the children = they follow parents and often lack skills to pretend like parents do. Biden’s 50% good, 50% bad. Happens. Trump seems to have at least one very bright, 2 reasonable good and active, and two seemingly pareve. The latter can not be by chance. The guy has to have some values. Or maybe some of his wives.
Another siman – what we do not know. I am amazed that all investigations did not damage Trump (so far). To be in NY real estate business and then have FBI, NYT and other 3-letter agencies after me for years – and nothing criminal so far, just minor infractions? Should be presumed a tzadik gamur until proven otherwise in the court of law. What would a similar effort show on Biden, given that he was not involved in (legal) business, who knows.May 11, 2021 8:57 am at 8:57 am #1972955
n0mesora: I take it from your comment you’re okay with those who kidnap children to sell into immoral slavery since, as you said, at least they’re not killing those children. Much like you’re okay with killing unborn children if, at least, he’s not gunning down civilians.
That all said, America cannot be the World Policeman that sends our soldiers into action every time the Hutus and Tutus are killing each other and anyone else not part of their African tribe.
Furthermore, Americans were definitely not aghast at the US not doing anything about Yugoslavia. In fact, the Serbs were right in that conflict and the Bosnian/Muslims/Croats in the wrong. If Bosnia and Croatia had the right to secede from Yugoslavia, then the Serbs in Bosnia and Croatia had the right to secede from Bosnia and Croatia. Additionally, the Bosnians and Croats were committing atrocities and genocide against the Serbs in equal measure to what they were getting. And all that is not to even mention that whereas the Serbs were helping the Jews against the Nazis, the Bosnian Muslims and Croats were allied with Hitler in exterminating the Jews.May 11, 2021 11:16 am at 11:16 am #1973023
Your comments seem to be post truth.
The man with all the odd missspeaks, is now polished?
Biden has been more in front of the cameras than Trump? Which one sad a publicity contest? Which one was a tv host for a dozen years?
Trump had to compete for cameras when he was President? Of course, with the super bowl. All tv ratings plummeted once Trump was out of the picture.
Biden’s personal tragedies, are easy to see through to his core. This is blatant reality. Maybe you just did not pay attention.
Biden did not run on the religious card.
Look at the children. If you say so. Maybe look at the parenting. Or the Russian Nanny.
Hunter Biden had brain trauma as a toddler.
No idea how Trump’s children appear good to you. Please do not be a sucker for branding.
And then you tangle off what you should know, but has to be slowly teased out with due process.like your entire worldview is to share theoreticals around what could not be disproven.
Trump’s businesses have been exposed as corrupt long before he ran for office. The scale he operated on, is just about unprecedented. Just look at his most recent CPAC.
In business, the CEO gets charged with the company’s infractions. In government, the one who actually violated the law gets prosecuted. That is why these is always a fall guy. Until there are recordings. Like Watergate.
The distinction between Biden and the majority of public figures when it comes to deep convictions – especially when it comes to the meaning of life – is very very discoverable. I have no idea what is the incentive to fog up a clear window?
I am not at all insinuating that this makes him a good President. For all I know, we would be better off with a non-believer.May 11, 2021 11:17 am at 11:17 am #1973026
No, you can not take it. This has nothing to do with me. Even if I was a proponent of blowing up abortion clinics, I would make the same point about Biden.
Biden is not pro abortion. It is a constitutional question. There are many things that a constitutional society allows despite the dubious morality of the activity.
I’m not sure if you understand the abortion debate. But that is not the topic.
America used to be the world’s policeman without committing troops. Good policing does not require killing everyone.
Slobodan Milosevic may have been personally not responsible, but those trials uncovered real sadism that had no bearing on the outcome of the wars.May 11, 2021 11:17 am at 11:17 am #1973030
And Serbia is considered Clinton’s worst foreign policy failure. Even worse than Oslo and Iraq.May 11, 2021 1:12 pm at 1:12 pm #1973095
a. I have never heard Biden stutter.
b. One of the smartest people I have ever known was a heavy stutterer. And the stupidest US president of all time did not stutter. (And he had the worst comb-over of all US presidents.)
c. What does the Torah say about stuttering? If I am not m-m-m-mistaken, Moshe w-w-w-was a s-s-s-s-stutterer. And the Torah probably does command us not to ridicule stutterers.
And, to dovrosenbaum: Ripping a baby out of the womb to save the life of the mother is a mitzvah that the anti-abortion crowd would prohibit Jews from observing.May 11, 2021 1:55 pm at 1:55 pm #1973109
The anti abortion crowd is not adverse to abortion for medical reasons. I found your wording rather odd.May 11, 2021 2:38 pm at 2:38 pm #1973123
Moshe had I lisp. does it say he stuttered also?May 11, 2021 4:27 pm at 4:27 pm #1973102
God, Islamic terrorism, the American flag are to Democrats what garlic is to a vampire.
I’ll leave you with daas torah on the liberals (of which Biden is one) from HaRav Miller, shlita:
Should we help financially the Moral Majority? They constantly ask us for money to help them in their fight. (Moral Majority was a political action group associated with the Christian right and the Republican Party that was formed in 1979 to further a conservative and religious agenda including the allowance of prayer in public schools and strict laws against abortion).
I say yes! They’re a very important organization and the truth is that they are a reproach to us. If we see goyim who are fighting for decency so sincerely – many of them are really sacrificing themselves; some have gone for jail fighting for their principles – then we, we’re the nation of holiness, the least we can do if we won’t fight ourselves for these ideals, the least we can do is to give financial assistance to those goyim who are fighting.
TAPE # 492 (February 1984)
What do you say about the man who killed the abortion doctor?
You know, had it been the other way around — had there been someone who went and killed this man, so the judge would have said, “For killing this anti-abortion man, two years probation.” That’s what happens; that’s what the judges do today.
The same thing is if, chas v’shalom, a criminal would stop you in the street, and you happen to have a knife, and the criminal wants to attack you, so you take your knife and you slit his throat. So the courts say you did a very big crime. If you hadn’t slit his throat, and he would have done chalilah the same thing to you, he would have gotten off with nothing, with nothing at all. But the fact that you slit his throat, the judge would throw the worst sentence at you. He’ll sentence you to prison – he would even give you the electric chair if they had it in that state.
Everybody knows how crazy the wicked judges are today. If a judge can give four million and four hundred thousand dollars to a mugger who was shot and wounded while he was escaping from the scene of a crime, so then we see how crazy the judges are today.
And so we say boruch Hashem that Cuomo [former NY State governor] was knocked out of office. Boruch Hashem that Dinkins [former NYC mayor] was knocked out of office too.
And I want to tell you, when you say, שובר אויבים ומכניע זדים you should have that in mind. Hashem breaks the enemies and He makes low the wicked. If Teddy Kollek was knocked out of office in Yerushalayim, we say, “Boruch Hashem, that Hakodosh Boruch Hu was שובר אויבים ומכניע זדים.” Boruch Hashem, that they and many other such reshaim were knocked out of office. Don’t ignore that – it’s something we have to daven for. I’m not going to say the names of all of them, because they’ll all become my enemies! But all the reshaim who lost out in the elections – we say שובר אויבים ומכניע זדים; we thank Hashem and we make the bracha with kavana, with a gusto.
And don’t think that just because they’re not enemies of the Jewish people, so they’re not our enemies. It makes no difference; they’re enemies of the people and we’re part of the people! We suffer from them and therefore we’re happy to see the downfall of the wicked who are ruining America.
TAPE # 990 (December 1994)May 11, 2021 4:27 pm at 4:27 pm #1973191
To nOmesorah: The anti-abortion crowd is not monolithic, but some of them would not allow an abortion to save a mother’s life, and some of them favor saving the unborn child over saving the life of the mother, if the medical situation is such that one of them cannot be saved. Our rights as American Jews would be jeopardized by some (not necessarily all) anti-abortionists, and that is unacceptable to this here American Jew.May 11, 2021 4:28 pm at 4:28 pm #1973193
To Participant – I think you are right and I am wrong about Moshe’s speech challenge.May 11, 2021 4:40 pm at 4:40 pm #1973201
That is true. But it has nothing to do with the current debate on abortion. I wonder what percent of legislators, are clueless about the actual bills they are endorsing or opposing. They hear abortion and they instantly react.May 11, 2021 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm #1973213
Dear Dov Rosenbaum,
And you are the Democrats spokesman. Biden has a very long career as a politician. He is almost a pure moderate. One extra tick toward the center, to be exact. And I have no idea who you quoted from. But it was full of politics without much Torah.
Maybe I missed it, but he does not mention liberals once. The longer discussion is about judges. It is not clear to me if it is discussing an actual event. But two things. He seems to be trivializing a premeditated murder. Which is compared against a random murder. And there is not a word about lawyers. Or that it probably would have been a jury that let criminals walk. So maybe he is discussing a theoretical event.
But the first piece you mention is the kicker. The moral majority was a concerted effort to bring out morals as a conservative concept and bring both ideas to the Republican party. Which until them was about the average working family that did not think much about politics. Eventually, the moral majority succeeded in reshaping the GOP, and wiping out most of their older agenda. Neither ideology came to pass. American conservatism was replaced by the neo-cons. And morality evaporated throughout the country. And now we have all these Qanon evangelicals. Just over a year ago, this could have been debated. But then the heir to the moral majority was publicly exposed as only caring about money, lust, and power. Exactly the same as any liberal power broker.May 11, 2021 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #1973235
n0, interesting how our perspectives differ. I am not looking for ways to convince your or someone, I have nothing to gain from that, but to see if we can find a way to look at things without a bias. What looks like stutter to you might look like Alzheimer to me, what looks like cleverness to me looks like hutzpah to you …
They are both builders. whatever Trump Towers stand for, there is a Biden Welcome Center on I-95 that is half-size of the whole Delaware … definitely not built with his money. I don’t think Reagan called the airport for himself, did he?
I have one unbiased point on Trump: we used his show as a side tool to business education, and were able to pick up and illustrate some ideas corresponding to academic courses and reality. It was of course entertainment, but it sounded pretty reasonable. It did not bother me that he was a Democratic supporter, I don’t think I was aware of that.
I have one point on Biden – Bob Gates wrote that B. has a lot of foreign experience and was consistently on the wrong side of every issue. Gates is a moderate and I don’t think is even known of being funny. This sounded funny and right at a time, well before anyone thought that Biden might become a president.
As to Biden’s experience that I claim and you, ironically, deny, here is a data point: a pro-Biden pre-election article written by someone who previously published an OpEd explaining how wrong Biden is in pushing for forced partition of Iraq. He got a call next day from Biden’s helper, saying: Senator sent you a formal letter denouncing your article and standing by his position. You will get it tomorrow. Please disregard it. Senator accepts your argument and will stop pushing for it, but we had to send a letter for PR purposes… a big twist of real concern for the country and experience at PR … Simliar when he (and also Bob Gates!) advised Obama to postpone raid on BinLaden. Gates writes “Biden’s primary concern was the political consequences of failure.”
Hunter blaming trauma for his corruption … this does not explain Biden’s brothers. Also, Hunter as of February was still “unwinding his investments” which shows both how extensive they are, and that his father is not able to help him with this task.
One missing thing is – what are Biden’s achievements in life, beyond doing politics and human part that you might connect to? I hear “prison reform”,”banking reform”, “senator from MBNA”… I am not sure what is the substance behind it. Could you fill this in?May 11, 2021 10:52 pm at 10:52 pm #1973278
I do not know what biases you are discussing. And, I am looping sight of where our discussion is going. The original topic moved to Biden’s religious sincerity. Or something like that. For anyone who cares to look, his deep convictions are obvious. He almost seems better suited for the clergy, than the oval office.
Politicians do a lot for the camera. But it is easy to pick up what they are like as people. They have to have a genuine side to connect to their constituents. But this is not even typical. Biden has been candid about how tragedy reshaped his life. And what he says has been confirmed by all the different people he interacted with.
We could discuss anything. But I’m not sure why all this random stuff is being combined. Every President – every person – has a real life story. There is no reason to paint the person to fit the politics. Carter is considered a failed President. Although he was a decent person.the same can be said about President Bush.May 12, 2021 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm #1973727
Russia is massing troops on the border with Ukraine. Ukraine is threatening to take Crimea back by force. China is threatening Taiwan and its neighbors while also threatening our ships and Navy. N Korea is testing missiles again and restarting their nuclear weapons program. Iran has been emboldened and making more than their normal threats.
Our southern border is a humanitarian disaster caused directly by this administration, and the administration that promised transparency is hiding it and not letting the media have access. Ford is closing a plant and moving it to Mexico after just bringing it back from Mexico because of the current Administration’s plan for Increased taxes.
Price of steel up 145%,
Wheat up 25%,
Food index up 25%,
Pipeline jobs lost.
Wall construction jobs lost.
1.9 trillion in stimulus that funds the administrations pet projects and only paid a fraction to the people.
29 trillion in debt with 4.8 trillion projected 2021 deficit before the 2 trillion dollar stimulus proposed today for the new green deal. 🤦♂️
9+% unemployment with millions of job openings that can’t be filled because federal unemployment assistance makes it more advantageous for people to stay home than work.May 12, 2021 6:00 pm at 6:00 pm #1973850
Dear Dov Rosenbaum,
I followed you around on this thread. From God to the clergy and judges. And now you pile this whole list of commodities. It calls to mind the prophecies of Hoseah…………May 12, 2021 11:12 pm at 11:12 pm #1974009
n0mesorah “deeply religious” by being pro-toeiva.May 13, 2021 7:17 am at 7:17 am #1974027
interestingly, US does not seem to have a lot of seriously religious Presidents despite having more religious population than other Western countries. I mean not just those who profess something, or visit houses of worship, but those whose thinking is seriously motivated by religious sentiment?
Bush II, Carter .. others before my time … do we need to go before Progressives to find fasting and Thanksgiving declarations?! And, according to research opinions, those 2 were not the most successful ones.May 13, 2021 7:36 am at 7:36 am #1974068
My point is that he had an unusually high awareness of God for a member of Congress. And that was back when almost all of Congress openly claimed to be religious.May 13, 2021 11:07 am at 11:07 am #1974141
n0> he had an unusually high awareness of God
Ok, maybe, I did not follow him closely when he was a Senator except when he got into news …
Still, if you listen to another religious almost-VP, Joe Lieberman, yes, he sometimes uses his morality for somewhat political purposes, like defending Bill Clinton, he is generally decent in his speeches. I can’t see him insisting that previous President left him no vaccines. Joe L was positive on Biden, btw. I would say, he has religious core that gets overpowered by political yetzer and probably habit of so many years. Can hope that in critical moments, he might revert to the core values. See again the story with the journalist in Iraq – he accepted the argument.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.