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What do you feel????????Big Or Small!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Up brim vs down brim?
“Front and back brim down hat”vs the “chabad center pinch hat”?
“Rabbit fur up hat” vs . “The beaver 2 sided pinch hat”?There are very few guys who look good in a small brim. Somehow the hat industry Who apparently does not make enough money selling $250 hats to Jews thought of drudging up a style from the 70’s and convinced people “but everyone is wearing this!” They do this until “everyone realizes how ridiculous they look and then buy a new hat a few years later. Sort of like what happened with the thick black plastic glasses
I hold that a weekday hat should be waterproof with a large brim and a shabbos hat should be non-waterproof with a small brim.
Old minhag litvish huge, Modern orthodox smallest as can get, everyone else in between
Litvish, until 1960, everybody wore small brim so please stop with your MO nonsense. They were called snap brim hats. Al pi legend, John Kennedy went hatless at his inauguration , which prompted men to stop wearing hats. If you look at pictures taken of yeshiva bochurs in prewar Poland, they are wearing snapbrims. Although the pictures are black and white, it’s obvious the hats ( as well as jackets and shirts ) are not all black and white
Doesn’t matter as long as it’s gray.
I do not like the way the small brim hat looks on me so I do wear a wider brim. I think each person has to decide what’s best for him.
It’s not the 1960s anymore. And main stream frum rabbis and yeshivish bachurim don’t do it anymore. That’s just how it is you could complain about it or accept the reality and move on.
Why wear a hat at all? It’s not halacha, you know.
i suggest a hat with two brims, one large and one small, to be mekayem both shitos
Lesschumrah- the reason for anyone wearing small brims was because it was cheaper and the wide brims were considered more expensive hats. Today it’s the opposite, and yes the small brims are more modern, although many have adopted it since it is in style. But if you ever want to know the litvishe minhag, see what Roshei yeshivas qnd many other litvishers wear it is a bigger brim with a high crown.
takahmamash: I am waiting for Joseph to post about how wearing a hat is halacha.
Is wearing a hat really not halacha?
Thank you âş
Wearing a hat is a Friday so bechukosi teilechu
The Chofetz Chaim psakens that you need two head coverings when davening and bentching.
Is wearing a hat really not halacha?
Covering one’s head is halacha. Wearing a kipa and a hat is not.
Think about it – there are thousands and thousands of dati Jews who daven every day, wit only a kipa on their heads.Friends, please stop indulging takahmamash. This is a style thread, not a halachah thread.
I’m in favor of meduim brim. The super wide, 90’s hats look kind of ridiculous to me. Then the hats with too small of brims are too hipster-looking.
LC, small brim hats are cheaper and more available today, so that dynamic is not reversed. As CTRebbe said, the hat makers have pretty much dictated that if you need a new hat today, it WILL be small brim.
The Chofetz Chaim psakens that you need two head coverings when davening and bentching.
Source please?
Mishna Berura 91:12, Aruch Hashulchan, OC 91:6.
Mishna Berura 91:12, Aruch Hashulchan, OC 91:6
Neither one of those sources says anything about a double covering. They say you should wear a hat like one that is normally worn when walking in the street or meeting with an important person.
and it also says not with the KOVEA KOTON SHEHTACHAS HOKOVEA. it seems that the Mishna Berurah understands that the there a two coverings, a small one under the big one and both were worn at the same time.
and it also says not with the KOVEA KOTON SHEHTACHAS HOKOVEA. it seems that the Mishna Berurah understands that the there a two coverings, a small one under the big one and both were worn at the same time.
Eh. Based on the context, I would say that’s a weak proof. He just means not the small kova that is commonly worn under a hat. If there was a specific inyan of two coverings, he would have said it straight out.
I’ve seen rabbonim take off their yarmulkes as they put on their hats for davening.
Very wide brims are like the oversized eyeglass frams and similiar “fashionista” styles that are desigined to call attention to oneself and thus are not tziniusdik for men. Jut becasue some litvisher rav wears oversized brims doen not make it “ok”others. Perhaps he was given the hat and cannot afford to have ithe brim made smaller.
meno: so have I. However, this was how my Rosh Yeshiva explained it to me.
“Eh. Based on the context, I would say thatâs a weak proof.”
OK, you can do that based on the context, but based on the fact that that’s how every major Rabbi has learned it, I would say it’s a pretty good proof.
There is a kabbalistic inyan to have 2 head coverings. Not a halachah, but no reason not to fulfill it since it doesn’t interfere with any halachah. I do not know the source for this, and I will not be looking for it because this was NOT supposed to be a halachah thread!
EVERYTHING is a halacha thread (or at least it should be). (Except for maybe the jokes, although the jokes based on sugyas are far funnier)
If someone didn’t have a hat for davening, would the Mishna Berura hold that he should put on another yarmulke? Or cover his head with his shirt sleeve?
“If someone didnât have a hat for davening, would the Mishna Berura hold that he should put on another yarmulke? Or cover his head with his shirt sleeve?”
Yes.
I think people should wear whatever they feel comfortable wearing, and not have to worry about getting judged by people who wear 5 inch brims. It doesn’t say in halacha how big your brim has to be so stop arguing over nonsense.
Talking to yourself again huh?
“….[Chaza]l say you should wear a hat like one that is normally worn when walking in the street or meeting with an important person.
There is something inherently contradictory in this statement. When you observe photos or artistic renderings of someone in the alte heim meeting with an adam chashuv, askan or melech, they almost always take OFF the hat they wore in the streets or when traveling. Even today in Congress, there is a requirment for both men and women to REMOVE thei hats out of respect for the institution. Why would you want to keep the hat you wore in the street (or in the field, or whatever) on when presenting yourself to melech malchei h’mlachim??
âIf someone didnât have a hat for davening, would the Mishna Berura hold that he should put on another yarmulke? Or cover his head with his shirt sleeve?â
Most people who are worried about what the Mishna Berura has to say wear double layered yarmulkes, so actually no. Worrying about looking respectable during davening is a halachah. Having 2 layers is a minhag; so I would imagine nobody would actually recommend having your arm over your head for the whole shmoneh esreh.
People who are bentching and don’t have their hat available will often place their sleeved arm over their head while they’re bentching.
People who are bentching and donât have their hat available will often place their sleeved arm over their head while theyâre bentching.
I’ve also seen people do funny things, but I’m still not convinced that this is what the Mishnah Berurah holds.
Putting an arm over your head, putting a baseball cap or winter hat over your yarmulke, etc. are all taking away your respectability. I’m sorry Joseph, but you are not right on this one. Fulfilling the inyan of the double covering at the expense of not looking presentable for davening is not how we pasken. I’m not sure the Chofetz Chaim comments on it since people might not have done such silly things in his day. However, he does clearly hold that a kabbalistic inyan never overrides a pre-existing minhag.
There is a joke where Moshiach arrives in a shul with a bent down hat with a small brim. He is told over here we wear a large brim hat bent up. He gets another hat with a large brim bent up and he goes to another shul. He is told here we were a small brim bent down. He tells them, you can’t agree on anything. When you will agree I will return.
Here’s a real chiddush: Let’s agree that each person should ask their own rabbi/RH/posek about wearing a hat or two coverings or whatever, and return to the OP’s question. Me, I think the wide, wide brims and tall, tall crowns are silly looking. You see this immense hat and underneath it, entirely overwhelmed, this little face trying to hold up the weight of the hat. Same with the immense streimlach that are becoming popular. Better to keep to the golden mean – neither a ten-gallon hat or the latest narrow-brim fashionista model. And that way you won’t have to buy a new hat every couple of years, either đ
By the halachos of Atifas Talis, the Mogen Avraham says that one should wear a hat for the bracha of Li’hisatef Batzitzis. What can we infer from this for other brachos and davening?
My husband told me that R’ Aaron Kotler wore two kippas all the time, a smaller one underneath a larger one. That’s what he has been doing for years now.
The Mishneh Berurah (8,4) brings the Bach that covering the head with a talis by davening has 3 benefis:
1) humility – hiding his face, ashamed to show himself
2) Kavonoh – does not get distracted from davening
3) Yiraas Shomaim – brings him closer to HashemNechomah, that exactly illustrates my earlier point about the requirement for two head coverings.
The Mishneh Berurah (8,4) brings the Bach that covering the head with a talis by davening has 3 benefis:
1) humility â hiding his face, ashamed to show himself
2) Kavonoh â does not get distracted from davening
3) Yiraas Shomaim â brings him closer to HashemWhat about the fact that it provides a double covering?
It says in Tehilim ××ע×ק×× ×§×¨××Ş× × From the depths I call you Hashem. The Dubner Magid compares this to a king who adopted a young man. The king provided him all necessities. One day the young man disappeared and they couldn’t find him. The king sent his soldiers to look for him. They found him hiding in a pit. The young man said that he feels ashamed after all the good the king has done to him, he stole the king’s favorite robe which he is currently wearing. He can’t show his face because of his shame. This is similar to us and Hashem where we are covering our face because we are ashamed to show it after all the good that Hashem bestowed on us. Could be that’s why we cover our head and face with a talis.
Covering your head while davenin with your tallis is fine as long as that is minhag in that shul or beis medrash. However, to do so in a shul where no one else engages should be done with care so you don’t c’v send the signal that you consider yourself a much more ehrliche yid than others in the tzibur.
ghdora, why would you or anyone think someone who puts a Talis on his head is (or even thinks he is) more Ehrlich?
Is covering your head halacha or midas chasidus?
“Covering your head while davenin with your tallis is fine as long as that is minhag in that shul or beis medrash. However, to do so in a shul where no one else engages should be done with care so you donât câv send the signal that you consider yourself a much more ehrliche yid than others in the tzibur.”
This is true if it’s truly the minhag of that shul that only the Shliach Tzibbur covers his head with a tallis. If you’re talking about going to an MO shul where people happen to not cover there heads with the tallis just because they’re more enlightened than us, then no. There’s a difference between minhagim and societal trends.
“Mogen Avraham says that one should wear a hat for the bracha of Liâhisatef Batzitzis. What can we infer from this for other brachos and davening?”
I would say very little. The hats we wear today would be impossible to wear while doing atifa.
“Is covering your head halacha or midas chasidus?”
Covering your head b’klal? That’s for sure a halachah. The Taz says it’s even a d’oraisa because of Chukas Hagoyim (goyim consider an uncovered head to be a sign of respect).
NC, I am not talking about wearing a yarmulke but a talis over the head. The Mishneh Berurah (91,10) says that using your sleeve over the head is fine. The Mishneh Berurah continues (91,12) says to wear a hat not just a yarmulke. Currently people wear a yarmulke under the hat so that would be the custom.
“The Mishneh Berurah (91,10) says that using your sleeve over the head is fine.”
You hear that Meno? (Or is this one of those funny things you were talking about?)
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