January 10, 2011 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #726625shtusimParticipant
Facebook vs smoking is analagous to Chanukah vs. Purim.
The Greeks wanted to kill the RUCHNIUS of the JEWS.
Haman wanted to PHYSICALLY kill the JEWS.
FACEBOOK IS A RUCHNIUS KILLER.
SMOKING IS “ONLY” a GASHMIUS KILLER.
Facebook kills entire families, smoking kills one person.
THEY ARE BOTH TERRIBLE!!January 10, 2011 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm #726626
can someone please give me one concrete example of how “Facebook kills entire families”…If this is the case I find it strange that numerous Orthodox Jewish institutions like Aish, Chabad and the OU have facebook pages. Not to mention several other Orthodox Shuls as well as Rabbi’sJanuary 10, 2011 8:32 pm at 8:32 pm #7266272morecentsParticipant
Physical & spiritual; they are intertwined. what’s harmful for one will ultimately harm the other. You see it pretty clearly with unhealthy people. They unfortunately become compromised in their middos due to the physical suffering. The Rambam points this out that one can not be spiritually successful when his health is an issue. I think that long term consequences of spiritual sickness invades a persons physical health as well.
That said, I get so tired of hearing how smoking is the quintessential definition of unhealthy living. government sponsored anti smoking campaigns have been a part of everyone’s life for so long that we are in a state of mass hypnosis on the subject. Sure there’s truth to the fact that smoking is detrimental to a persons health but it’s not the only thing bad for you and it’s not the worse thing either I suspect. We get bombarded with advertisements that smoking is so evil and bad that most people fail to think for themselves objectively. I believe that being 25 pounds overweight is a much bigger health issue than smoking and yet even with the fact that extra weight is an issue, most people have a much kinder outlook at overeating than they do to smoking.
I don’t smoke and never have and I’m not overweight either. If I had to suffer the ill effects of one of those 2, I would take my chances with smoking and a lean body over being a non smoker but living with a load of extra weight ruining my cholesterol, blood pressure, joints and hormones any day.January 10, 2011 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #726628crdleMember
OMg ppl get a life, there is nothing wrong with facebook, if you only use it to keep in touch with familyand friends, like this if you live in a different state than where you grew up, you can still feel as if your there with the ppl that are important to you.
And just because you can possibly see things that are hashkaficly harming, you can’t balme facebook for that, since you can do that on the internet in genral so it has nothing to do with facebook!
Smoking will kill you- so thats worse for sure!January 10, 2011 9:22 pm at 9:22 pm #726629memoMember
As in many media tools in technology there are pros and cons.
For a frum girl for example the purpose she would use fb is to socialize.
An organization will use it to broaden the scope of people and increase their influences by using fb. So, the actual idea of facebook is ok.
For the girl (14 yr old) for example she could get caught up in inappropriate relationships/sites etc. that could damage her yiddishkeit.
The Rabbis who use facebook I think are mostly involved in kiruv and use it as an invaluable tool to access multitudes of people….
the two usages serve to very different purposes and can’t be compared. I think for an average person to use facebook is fine as long as they socialize appropriately and stay within Halachic guidelines. For people who are avid facebook addicts it’s hard to stop so you cant say don’t use it at all…Just use it and only contact the people you should….For those of you that don’t use it good for you and there’s no need to start!!!!!January 10, 2011 9:49 pm at 9:49 pm #726630quark2Member
this seems to be a very lomdishah question. Il need a smoke to mull things over…January 11, 2011 2:06 am at 2:06 am #726631HealthParticipant
2morecents – “I believe that being 25 pounds overweight is a much bigger health issue than smoking and yet even with the fact that extra weight is an issue, most people have a much kinder outlook at overeating than they do to smoking.
I don’t smoke and never have and I’m not overweight either. If I had to suffer the ill effects of one of those 2, I would take my chances with smoking and a lean body over being a non smoker but living with a load of extra weight ruining my cholesterol, blood pressure, joints and hormones any day.”
Your opinion is invalid compared to many health experts. Just because you don’t like the smoking ads, doesn’t make you a scientist. The fact is being overweight can be unhealthy, but there is nothing more dangerous than smoking as far as your typical addiction goes!January 11, 2011 1:51 pm at 1:51 pm #726633
I know someone who gained a bit of weight after she stopped smoking and her dr. told her that she was still much, much healthier and better off for having stopped smoking. Yes, 20 years later her joints are feeling the excess weight, but she’s alive! And not battling something major, in and out of hospitals, with a terminal deadline.January 11, 2011 2:35 pm at 2:35 pm #726634January 11, 2011 4:00 pm at 4:00 pm #726635
Mikehall, I’ve been to community internet asifos. Our community isn’t setting out to ban anything but to inform and empower, and encourage parents to have quality filters on the computer and to supervise.(Phones too.) Everyone who’s ever spoken says flat out not to let kids onto social networking sites, and it’s in the school handbooks too. After high school’s and into adulthood’s a different story.January 11, 2011 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #726637
“Everyone who’s ever spoken says flat out not to let kids onto social networking sites, and it’s in the school handbooks too.” I wish they would spend the same, if not more time on explaining to kids the dangers of smoking and healthy lifestyle (eating right and exercising) Unfortunately, little to no time is spent on both…It troubles me to see yeshiva bochurs puffing away in front of Seven Eleven motzei shabbosJanuary 11, 2011 5:28 pm at 5:28 pm #726638
Mikehall23892 (and crdle):I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY:I meant the pictures she herself put up of she herself,on her own wall…because Facebook exists.
I never meant that Facebook was responsible for turning her off. But it made things MUCH WORSE.(apology accepted)
And thank you to:
Tzippi,mamashtakah,memo,and gavra-at work.January 11, 2011 5:52 pm at 5:52 pm #726639
eclipse, Thanks for the concrete example…January 11, 2011 6:16 pm at 6:16 pm #726640HealthParticipant
eclipse – If your Ex is being negligent in your daughter’s care (depending I guess what she puts up there), you can bring it to court.January 11, 2011 6:40 pm at 6:40 pm #726641memoMember
From my experience nowadays kids need everything explained and each child according to his needs/background…the kids who are getting turned off are unfortanatly affecting the rest of the families/classes/bunks in camps/seminaries/yeshivas
my advice to parents is send you kid to a school thats best suited for you child we are at a point that we should know enough is out there and as a parent we shouldn’t think only send to a school for their kavod you must do it for your kid!January 11, 2011 7:41 pm at 7:41 pm #726642
Health–Court put her there in the first place.
B”H,people are working with her,but my court case was as insane as Rubashkin and Japan.
Only because of non-stop tefilos and brochos from true tzadikim are we all doing (for the most part) well,b”h.January 11, 2011 7:44 pm at 7:44 pm #726643
By “well”,I mean we have survived,and none of us is allowing life’s unexpected craziness to bog us down.May Hashem continue to keep us strong.January 11, 2011 9:13 pm at 9:13 pm #726644
“Court put her there in the first place” I guess there was more going on here then I realized…January 11, 2011 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #726645
Mikehall, they don’t need to make asifos for the parents. They DO talk about it in school. Does it work? Is it enough, I don’t know, but while the same energy may be expended it’s in a different form, e.g. individual classrooms, incorporating anti-smoking messages when possible, etc.
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