November 3, 2016 11:38 am at 11:38 am #618616
What do you do to avoid it?November 3, 2016 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm #1189763DaMosheParticipant
I post on the CR far less than the OP.November 3, 2016 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm #1189764Mashiach AgentMember
learn how to appreciate every moment of life by treating every day/hour as another gift from Hashem that you should live another hour/day. Hashem doesn’t just say this person will live to 113 & this one to 102 etc… every day is another gezeira that you should live another day “uvacharta bachaim…. you should choose life” & spend your time of life wisely. Wisely does not need to mean learning & doing mitzvos 24-7, going shopping is also spending your time wisely. just don’t waste it & soon you will start to appreciate every minute more that you are alive that YOU WILL NOT LET YOUR TIME BE WASTED doing nothing.
Dont wait until your 60-as most people do-before realizing & not believing that 60 years of my precious life are gone gone forever…. even if your 40 you still have 20 more years of your full life (where a person can do everything from 20-60 before starting old age & stopping doing things as a person gets older & older every year) to use it wisely
HatzlachaNovember 3, 2016 1:01 pm at 1:01 pm #1189765
Try to remain focused.
And try not to post on the CR too often.November 3, 2016 2:05 pm at 2:05 pm #1189766AgantzyoorpeerimParticipant
I think to avoid it would take too much time and that is bittul zmanNovember 3, 2016 11:56 pm at 11:56 pm #1189767
I’ve actually been wondering how people justify spending time in the CR in terms of bitul Torah & I was thinking of starting a thread asking that. And yes, I realize that the same question could be asked of me to some extent (although as a girl, there is a difference), but I am curious how others would answer the question.
I mean this as a serious question, not as a criticism.November 6, 2016 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #1189768
bumpNovember 6, 2016 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm #1189769
Loosen up, LuL. This is the wild web. No, you’re not sitting in a classroom (either end) studiously, somberly, (gloomily..) taking, or worse – giving, a shiur, lesson, course or discourse.
This is the dangerous, tempestuous, wild web. With a slight Jewish twist. However Yeshivish… it’s still the web. A chat site with zealous, devoted, untiring Mods who do a FANTASTIC job at keeping us safe. But it’s a chat site, not a school building.
And most who come here, be it those who ‘live’ here or those who just chanced by (fell in), are looking to chill out. To unload. To upload. Share a good word, a quip, a smile. Brighten up someone’s life, one’s own life.
???? ?????? ?????? ????? That’s what it’s all about.
(ohh – look how much time I wasted typing that…)November 6, 2016 5:23 pm at 5:23 pm #1189770
Perhaps part of the CR could be considered Limud Torah.November 6, 2016 5:30 pm at 5:30 pm #1189771DaMosheParticipant
Joseph, any section you’re in is a moshav leitzim.November 6, 2016 5:32 pm at 5:32 pm #1189772
“Loosen up, LuL.” I’m asking a question, which I think is a very legitimate one. Saying it’s the internet and a chat site and not a classroom does not answer the question. A Jew is a Jew wherever he is and has to be prepared to answer questions like that (although not to me necessarily, but no one was forced to answer).
The rest of your post did answer the question. Thank you. And so did your post, Joseph, to some extent (although it doesn’t answer for the non-Limud Torah parts).
Again, it was a question, not a criticism.
And by the way, just for the record, I consider the whole world to be a classroom of sorts, both for teaching and for learning. That is what we are in the world for. And hence, my name.November 6, 2016 6:00 pm at 6:00 pm #1189773
Little Froggie- +1
No, on second thought, +1,000
Joseph- you’re kidding, right?
I’m going to be dan l’kaf adam normali and figure you said that in the spirit of LF’s comment to be malbin our sheenayim.November 6, 2016 6:09 pm at 6:09 pm #1189774
Golfer – he was serious about “malbin sheenayim”. And I think Joseph was too. I took them both seriously – why not? They are both right.
btw, “malbin sheenayim” is a quote from Chazal about the importance of “smiling at others” or in other words, making people happy.November 6, 2016 6:26 pm at 6:26 pm #1189775
golfer, the Torah discussions here are not Limud Torah?November 6, 2016 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm #1189776
“I’m going to be dan l’kaf adam normali and figure you said that in the spirit of LF’s comment to be malbin our sheenayim.”
I just chapped what you meant, Golfer. I still disagree, in any case, at least about Joseph’s intentions.November 6, 2016 11:17 pm at 11:17 pm #1189777Person1Member
LF: “this is the dangerous, tempestuous, wild web”
You only had to finish with “and I’m saying this for your own good” to give the complete gangster movie vibe.
And seriously the internet is what you want it to be. You can focus on the uglyness or on the humanity in it. It’s your choice and no perspective is more legitimate.
“A chat site with zealous, devoted, untiring Mods who do a FANTASTIC job at keeping us safe” By this point I’m getting strong 1984 vibes. Do they do it all for the people’s good?
I happen to think the mods are doing good job, and I didn’t like it when LU criticized them for not censoring Lashon Arah. But please let’s not get overly patriotic. If anyone has disagreement with the mods it’s their right to express it.
“And most who come here, be it those who ‘live’ here or those who just chanced by (fell in), are looking to chill out. To unload. To upload. Share a good word, a quip, a smile. Brighten up someone’s life, one’s own life.
???? ?????? ?????? ????? That’s what it’s all about.”
So where do you classify all the mysoginism, dogmatism, personal attacks and incomprehensive drivel?
Regarding the main issue you have with LU:
1. I can see how it might be hard to have a conversation when someone keeps shouting “Lashon Arah” in the background. However all everyone had to do was to ignore it and keep going on with the conversation. It was their choice not to do it.
2. edited.November 7, 2016 12:43 am at 12:43 am #1189778
Joseph, was that a rhetorical question?
In case not- I guess you might give them some credit as Limud Torah but it’s a bit of a stretch, no?
And you have to admit- the vast majority of the threads are not discussions that fit the bill.
There is the occasional nice little vort on the Parsha or Halachic thread discussing real Halacha, so I’ll give you a weak- yes, could be.November 7, 2016 4:22 pm at 4:22 pm #1189779
“Regarding the main issue you have with LU:
1. I can see how it might be hard to have a conversation when someone keeps shouting “Lashon Arah” in the background. However all everyone had to do was to ignore it and keep going on with the conversation. It was their choice not to do it.”
That was not the topic here and was not mentioned here, so it did not belong here. In any case, if someone tells you that you are speaking LH, the response should not be to ignore it. The response should either be to say, “you are right, thank you for pointing it out.” Or to say, “thank you for pointing it out, but I don’t think it is LH because of ____.”.November 7, 2016 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm #1189780
Joseph, it is true that there are some discussions here that are somewhat Torahdik and may be better than others, but I think the point is that one would probably be accomplishing more by sitting and learning a blatt Gemara (and t/f that argument does not suffice in and of itself).
One thing that I find hard to understand (and again, I am not criticizing since I do not know everyone’s circumstances and cheshbonos nor do I know what I would do in such a situation) is that I find it hard to understand why married people spend time here. As a single girl, I get lonely and need an outlet, etc, but I would hope that if I were married, I would not spend time talking to strangers instead of spending time with my family. I am sure that it would bother me if my husband spent time talking to strangers instead of talking to me or our kids or helping me (or learning).
Again, I am not criticizing anyone since I do not know anyone’s circumstances and cheshbonos, and obviously, everyone has his own cheshbonos.November 7, 2016 4:48 pm at 4:48 pm #1189781It is Time for TruthParticipant
MY zeide was a distinguished mechanech back in the ’60s
Someone asked him , how many Beatles are there?
he said :four
The boy was impressed.He asked: what’s their names?
Bitul ChometzNovember 7, 2016 5:43 pm at 5:43 pm #1189782
Seems like someone came on the scene to chase everyone else away!!!November 7, 2016 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm #1189783
if you really need to know… I sit in front of a computer hours, hours long trying to teach it (to do what I want, not what it wants). I take breaks for my sanity… Sometimes I get carried away in a convo or 2 or 3 orNovember 7, 2016 6:17 pm at 6:17 pm #1189784
I bet It is Time’s Zeide could have given some solid good answers to the OP’s question.November 7, 2016 7:06 pm at 7:06 pm #1189785
golfer, you see CR discussions as akin to Beatles trivia?November 7, 2016 7:21 pm at 7:21 pm #1189786
LF- I am writing this here because I don’t know where else to write it. I just wanted to let you know that although I do not remember exactly what I wrote that the moderators felt a need to edit on the other thread (I actually was surprised that they did so and think they may have misunderstood something), I can assure you that nothing I wrote could possibly have been meant to offend you in any way.
I have always had the highest regard for you. Anything I wrote was due to the fact that I hold you in the highest regard and therefore assumed that you are the type of person who would want to be informed if there was a misunderstanding and he inadvertantly offended someone. If that is not the case, then I do apologize for saying something as there would be no point. But I really do find it hard to believe that my opinion of you until now has not been justified.November 7, 2016 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm #1189787
LF- I also am not sure that the edited part had anything to do with you. If it did, it didn’t really say much more than what was already said – it probably just clarified it.November 7, 2016 7:50 pm at 7:50 pm #1189788☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
It is a personal attack for someone to repeatedly insist that you have no cheilik in Olam Haba.
It is no more a personal attack on you than your saying he was motzi shem ra was a personal attack on him.
In fact, you should be thanking him for pointing out that you were malbin p’nei chaveiro so that you can apologize and correct your behavior and avoid gehinnom.
I do have to say that I am puzzled by the fact that you have not once thanked me for trying to spare you from Gehinnom!!! Aren’t you happy that I let you know that what you said was Motzi Sheim Ra so that you can try to have it deleted and avoid gehinnom?)November 7, 2016 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #1189789
Yes, I AM thankful when someone points out he/she was offended by something I wrote or said. That is really the essence of ???? ?????.. ??? ??? ???? ???, point it out and gat a chance to clear the air!! So yes, I apologize for ?”? intoning something to the personal, though that was NEVER my intention. I only attempted to differ with you regarding specific Halacha issue, nothing at ALL more.
And now we are done – again.November 7, 2016 8:29 pm at 8:29 pm #1189790zahavasdadParticipant
I personally follow my Rav the Admor Yosef and follow what he does as it is great kovad to follow in the footsteps of the RavNovember 7, 2016 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #1189791
One more point (many more coming… slowly)
You’re taking this (hollowed) place MUCH TO SERIOUS. This “place”, clique if you will has more or less begotten a life of it’s own. Existing posters from way, way back, each coming to the table with such diverse backgrounds, hashkafos, ideals and ideas. You have to be in it for some time till you get the ropes, figure out who’s who and what’s what.November 7, 2016 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm #1189792
Perhaps you’d like to reread the post about It is Time’s Zeide.
It seems clear he was a Talmid Chacham, not a B–s fan.
(I’m sorry it took me so long to answer you. It’s hard to notice posts or get a word in edgewise around here with all the discussion of who insulted whom, and who’s losing their Cheilek Le’Oha”b, and all the rest of it…)November 7, 2016 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #1189797
Sorry Golfer for the commercial break 🙂November 7, 2016 11:02 pm at 11:02 pm #1189798Person1Member
“That was not the topic here and was not mentioned here, so it did not belong here”
I suppose you are right.
“In any case, if someone tells you that you are speaking LH, the response should not be to ignore it. The response should either be to say, “you are right, thank you for pointing it out.” Or to say, “thank you for pointing it out, but I don’t think it is LH because of ____.”.
What if someone think it’s not LH but have no wish to get into an argument about that? In that case the best thing would be to say “thank you for caring. I don’t think it’s LH and I would like to carry on my conversation now” (I can see how “ignore” might not express this) If that was the approach taken by some posters here it would have saved a lot of fights and harsh words.November 7, 2016 11:04 pm at 11:04 pm #1189799
“golfer, you see CR discussions as akin to Beatles trivia?”
What if you learn Beatles trivia from Cr discussions? (I now know that there were 4 Beatles. I never knew that before.)November 7, 2016 11:17 pm at 11:17 pm #1189802
Person1- That is definitely a better approach than some others. But I think the best approach is to explain WHY you don’t think it’s LH.November 7, 2016 11:26 pm at 11:26 pm #1189803
lilmod, that would be Bitul Torah/Bitul Zman.
If that’s the topic of discussion.November 7, 2016 11:58 pm at 11:58 pm #1189804
That thread is closed, sorryNovember 8, 2016 4:42 am at 4:42 am #1189807
“lilmod, that would be Bitul Torah/Bitul Zman.
If that’s the topic of discussion.”
I was joking, by the way.November 8, 2016 5:19 am at 5:19 am #1189808
I have been trying to stop using smileys but now people can’t tell when I’m joking. So I either have to go back to using smileys or come up with something else.November 8, 2016 5:30 pm at 5:30 pm #1189809BigGolemParticipant
You ask how to avoid Bitul Torah. Exactly what is that? When does it apply? What are the halochos of Bitul Torah?
Was at a chasuna last night. These things last for hours, most of the time spent doing nothing. Is any of that Bitul Torah?November 8, 2016 8:31 pm at 8:31 pm #1189810
BG- The basic Halacha for men is that they have an obligation to learn Torah every second. But they are allowed to stop learning for any Mitzvah that can’t be performed by someone else. If going to the chasuna was a Mitzvah that couldn’t be performed by someone else, then it was allowed.
I assume that usually when people go to chasunas it is for the purpose of being mesameach the chasan and/or kallah which is a Mitzvah that can’t be done by someone else.
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