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    DY: funny that a non-Halacha related article of clothing is so ubiquitous and even defines halachically meticulous communities by said clothing (‘black hat’ communities)?

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    Anonymous1000
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    rational frummie – virtually every gadol wears some kind of black hat or strimel.

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    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Rf, it would have to be that way. Tzitzis can’t define a specific frum community precisely because it is halachic, so all from communities wear them.

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    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    As another example, Dati Leumi communities, even those which are meticulous in Halacha, define themselves (to borrow your term) by wearing kippot srugot, though the color and material of a kippah is non halachic.

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    Sam2
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    DY: Your point stands, but it is much more common to find “black hatters” accepted in Srugi communities and not vice versa, especially in Eretz Yisrael.

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    Redleg
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    It’s not what’s on your head that means anything. It’s what’s in your head that counts.

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    Patur Aval Assur
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    “Yet Rav Chaim Kannievsky says it’s better to daven biyechidus then without a hat and jacket”

    “I still don’t believe R’ Chaim said that. And if he did, he meant in a community where not wearing a hat and jacket would be considered not being properly dressed for Davening. He didn’t mean somewhere where not wearing a hat is considered tolerable/acceptable.”

    Sheailas Rav Chelek 2 6:95

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    This doesn’t necessarily mean that your chiluk is not true – I’m just giving the source that R’ Chaim Kanievski said it.

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    Binyamin2711
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    I got rejected from some yeshiva not going to mention but mainly because I did not wear a hat for the faher. I gave a wild chaburah and did very well but because of this ‘HAT’ I got rejected , people have to look beyond the hat these days. There are so many bums I know who would never take off their hat and don’t know a famous Rambam or how to lein up a gemara and are just baal gaayvos for no reason. This whole situation has to be fixed somehow BH

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    mordern
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    Sam2
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    mordern: I refuse to believe that R’ Avigdor Miller claimed that a social statement (with potential Halachic Nafka Minos) is as important as being M’kayeim one of the most important Aseis D’oraisa (which makes you a M’kayeim Asei B’gufo).

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    charliehall
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    ” virtually every gadol wears some kind of black hat or strimel.”

    Dati gedolim mostly don’t, as previously mentioned.

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    Patur Aval Assur
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    Did he say that you have to say shecheyanu for doing a mitzvah for the first time?

    (Agav, is there any particular reason why people don’t wear hats before their Bar Mitzvah?)

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