BMG's Freezer

The Shidduch question can be debated.

The learning is not debatable – it is the best thing possible. I have yet to meet a guy who doesn’t admit, even if he didn’t like it, that it wasn’t the best thing for his learning.

And if you never sat through it (and continued learning in BMG after the chasunah) don’t comment on this.

I am Con too many chickens not enough hot dogs

NASi is wrong to criticize a yeshiva rule made by its roshei yeshiva, who are also more or less the leaders of the yeshivish world in america. (not the lowercase i in NASi, since they don’t deserve a capital I.)

NASi is also wrong in fact. If there was no freezer, guys would come back later, since they could wait until they were actually ready to date instead of until they thought they might want to date in a couple of months.

NASi is also making much ado about nothing, since the freezer is only a couple months (cheshvan until tu bishvat is 3.5 months. Pesach until shiva asar b’tamuz is 2.5 months.)

Farocks/PBA:

NASI is NOT against the freezer. Never has been and probably never will be. Especially since the freezer isn’t going away any time soon and NASI doens’t waste it’s time on ideas that aren’t going to be implemented.

Just another example of inaccurate statements about NASI in this forum.

But why confuse yourselves with the facts. What NASI would like to see happen with the freezer is a whole nother story and would be amazingly effective.

If it every happens you’ll be the first to know…..

How does NASI want to force the freezer system to change, AZ?

I’m not NASI or their spokesperson. With that said, from their advertisements, NASI appears to be focused on those already dating not encouraging people to start dating younger. No NASI initiative that I have ever seen advertised even implies criticism of the freezer concept, let alone outright criticize it. Its one thing to disagree with a prposed initiative, its quite another to criticize something that does not exist.

apy: NASI does wish to lower the average age boys get married at. To that end, as AZ alluded to above, they wish to “modify” the freezer.

Ah, but you do want to modify it.

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/enough-talk-on-shidduchim/page/3#post-120031

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/enough-talk-on-shidduchim/page/3#post-120121

But you get credit for http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/enough-talk-on-shidduchim#post-119178

Hey, can we borrow some freezer space for Pesach?

I think the freezer was instituted because the yeshiva felt that many students were just using BMG as a base for shiduch hunting,

without being really interested in the yeshiva itself.

while that still happened and happens, the freezer lessens that somewhat.

Just my guess.

No African its not life support its wife support.

Against it.

how in the world can you demand a jew to do something against the torah?!

and it is a Yeshiva that is demanding such a thing! for what? for Hashems torah.. well hashem wants Buchurim to get married.

“Case closed.”

Oh really? And the past 4.75 years have been what? A total write-off? A waste of a good mind?

Good thing your wife / father-in-law are too busy working to read the CR. Otherwise, they’d feel like the fool you make them out to be.

Shame on you for saying such a thing

2scents –

and it is a Yeshiva that is demanding such a thing! for what? for Hashems torah.. well hashem wants Buchurim to get married.

At the expense of their learning? Wherever did you get that notion from?

bpt –

The guy didn’t say he is still there, in fact he sounded like he was talking about the past. And he wasn’t saying they were a write off, not in any way, just that there was a qualitative difference. And I fully agree with him.

2scents

“how in the world can you demand a jew to do something against the torah?!”

What are you talking about? Did you follow Pirkei Avos which says to get married at 18? Nowadays men are not ready for marriage at 18. BMG’s opinion is IMHO that for the bucherim’s ruchnius its best if they sit and learn for a few months before starting to date.

Everyone knows the freezer rule. So why dont you tell every bocher to come back from E”Y or wherever a zman earlier??

bp27 and yitayningwut –

OK, noted (and I apologize, for shooting 1st, asking questions later).

But you cannot deny the general tone that many bochurim have (I could have gone further, had I not been “distracted” by my family responsibilities” ect)

Fact is, your job (at the age of 20-something) is to be a family man. So please don’t bemoan your lost opportunity. You did not “lose” anything.. you are doing what you are meant to do!

There is a vort said on Pirke Avos, 2:5 <sorry, don’t remember who said it> ” When I have time, I will learn”.

A yungerman was upset that he does not have the time to focus on learning like he used to in his single days. The reply he got was, “perhaps your avodah is to be a “loh tiponeh” person (someone who is always on the go), and despite your tough scedule, you still squeeze in as much learning as you can.

But again, sorry. I should not have jumped.

apy:

YES and NO

Boys coming back slightly earlier from EY (or not going at all) and thus coming a bit younger to BMG, has nothing to do with modyfiying the freezer rule.

2scents –

You have not addressed what I said. It is against chazal.

Care to address what I said?

AZ. Yes, what and no, what?

Tx

2scents –

Last time I checked, it’s a mefurashe halacha in Shulchan Aruch (EH 1:3):

??? ????? ???? ?’ ??? ????? ???? ???? ?”? ????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ???? ???? ????? ????? ?? ???? ????? ???? ?? ??????? ???? ??? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ??????

And as it says in Yoreh Deah (246:2):

????? ??? ???? ???”? ??? ???

Pretty clear cut.

EH: http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=9727&st=&pgnum=9&hilite=

YD: http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=9147&st=&pgnum=137&hilite=

Please be honest enough to agree that the freezer has nothing to do with what you just wrote.

My first proof to that is simply there was no freezer before it was established in Lakewood, there is no freezer in any other yeshiva, i don’t think that Lakewood is the only yeshiva that holds the shulchan aruch.

Gimme a break!

2scents- “In my opinion, whatever paper a bachur signed regarding not getting married for a zman, might be invalid as it is a Massneh al mah shekusuv batorah.”

I dont recall where the Torah says one must get married within the first 3 months of starting to learn at BMG.

Also, “You have not addressed what I said.”

I said: “Everyone knows the freezer rule. So why dont you tell every bocher to come back from E”Y or wherever a zman earlier??”

Would this satisfy you?

far rocks:

same basis I had for knowing a few months ahead of time that a letter from 70 R”Y would come out. In this same forum they posted as if i was fool……

until the letter came out.

Can’t say it’s 100% guranteed…. but fairly likely…

When it happens I’ll let you know….

klugreyid:

Did you know nasi was around for 4 years before it launched this new program. Which for the record has been very succesful so far B”H.

And just to get you facts correct- the hishgest bracket is 10,500.

Are you familiar with the programs they have up and running in the commuies I listed above?

You might want to research a bit on the program before you post.