Bochurim in Japan
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September 23, 2009 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #590485Poshite Yid 613Member
What’s the matzav with the bochurim in Japan? THeir trial’s coming up I see in the ad.September 24, 2009 2:01 am at 2:01 am #668497NY MomMember
I just read an article in the Country Yossi Magazine that a Japanese ger (a former protestant minister) who now lives in E”Y is going there to do whatever he can to help them.
Hashem should help that they should be released quickly.September 24, 2009 2:27 pm at 2:27 pm #668498
I heard a while ago that they are letting one bachur go to e”y for the rest of his term and if i remember correctly they said he might go as fast as in 10 days. I dont recall hearing that they let him out.
Anyone knows more information.September 24, 2009 4:05 pm at 4:05 pm #668499Grandma LeeMember
Working: you heard correct but unfortunately it did not work out yet. We all should remember to keep them in out tefillos.September 24, 2009 5:56 pm at 5:56 pm #668500
Since $millions have been spent already and all the aitzos and interventions from the experts have not worked; in addition to t’filos, how about a massive letter writing campaign to the government of Japan showing heartfelt contrition and pleading for mercy for the three fellows who were apprehended with drugs in Japan. Rather than teirutzim, this is probably what the Japanese want.September 24, 2009 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #668501tzippiMember
To Cherrybim: the Japanese might appreciate obsequiousness, but I don’t think it would work out.September 24, 2009 8:13 pm at 8:13 pm #668502artchillParticipant
The Japanese aren’t like Israelis.
Pressure on and Protekzia with the Japanese is 100% counter-productive.September 25, 2009 1:06 pm at 1:06 pm #668503
What about the bochur Benzion Miller who bought the airline tickets for the three bochurim; shouldn’t we give him the benefit of doubt? Today’s YWNews indicates that as yet, no evidence against Miller has been presented to the court.September 25, 2009 1:33 pm at 1:33 pm #668504mybatMember
I just hope everyone learns not to trust just anyone who looks religous. That’s the unfortunate reality.September 25, 2009 1:42 pm at 1:42 pm #668505JosephParticipant
cherrybim: Is there any reason not to?September 25, 2009 1:43 pm at 1:43 pm #668506artchillParticipant
Cherrybim: “no evidence against Miller has been presented to the court”.
The Court means the Judge. The Judge in the case has seen the evidence to initiate the arrest warrant.
All that happened was, the evidence was not handed over to the Defense Team. They are stalling and putting up barriers for the Prosecution.
But, hey it’s up to each person to judge people as they see fit.September 25, 2009 3:02 pm at 3:02 pm #668507
Joseph- “cherrybim: Is there any reason not to?”
No Joseph, from his photo, Benzion Miller looks like a trustworthy frum individual and has that innocent appearance about him. And he wasn’t caught doing anything wrong, that I’m aware of. So I say, at least for now, give him the benefit. Maybe, at worst, he was duped.
Artchill: As we know, an arrest warrant is not a conviction; but at least he’s in Israel where he will be given a fair trial.September 25, 2009 3:15 pm at 3:15 pm #668508JosephParticipant
I don’t know about a fair trial there.October 27, 2009 9:26 am at 9:26 am #668509Be HappyParticipant
This Sunday night Yosef ben Reisel will be triedOctober 27, 2009 2:38 pm at 2:38 pm #668512
Does anyone know any info yet of the outcome?October 27, 2009 4:25 pm at 4:25 pm #668513starwolfMember
If indeed these men are innocent dupes, they should have no problem with providing the legal authorities with the information about those that duped them, and to provide testimony against them. there is no reason to protect these people. If the person who bought the ticket was also an innocent dupe–then who duped him?
Someone planned for them to smuggle drugs. Whether or not that person is a member of the religious community–I do not care–he or she should receive the full punishment mandated by law.October 27, 2009 6:18 pm at 6:18 pm #668515bein_hasdorimParticipant
starwolf: The guy that duped them is not in that country & japan cares little about
him. their strict policy is L’man Yishmeu V’yira’u etc… They want to set examples. At least this is what i heard. I hope at least poeple/bochurim learn a valuable lesson
never to take anything for anyone. It is against our laws as well, & dinah D’malchusho
dinah.October 28, 2009 4:36 am at 4:36 am #668516starwolfMember
I am really trying to understand the reactions of the Hareidi community.
This is a terrible chillul Hashem, and it puts every Hareidi travelling by air under the eye of law enforcement officials. These guys do profile, and if any of us who are openly identifiable as Jews show contempt for the law, the law will certainly return the favor.
It is in our interests as a community to find those responsible for these actions and punish them to the full extent of the law.
It is also in our interests to educate our children in good behavior and halacha. The importance of dinah d’malchusa dinah cannot be overstated. In addition, an education in common sense such as “don’t take any packages from strangers, no matter their appearance” would be helpful.
All of this should be an important part of any education, even the most cloistered. Otherwise, when the students do go out into the world, they have no idea of the behavior expected of them (by the legal authorities) and it is easy to run afoul of them–and pay extreme penalties.November 22, 2009 7:03 pm at 7:03 pm #668517Be HappyParticipant
The court sat all of last week but have delayed it for 4 weeks for the prosecutor to prepare more questions. My brother flew to Japan and sat throught the case. He was asked to come to show support. Most Japanese who are brought to this court have no support from their families as they know the likely outcome is to be incacerated in the worst prisons.
The bochurim were brought in with shackels around there hands and legs. They are not allowed to wear proper shoes. They were pulled into the room with chains.
They have lost loads of weight maintaining their want to keep kosher. They have been told by the Rabbonim to eat the goyshe bread.
The father asked permission of the judge to shake hands with his son. Judge agreed – they have had no physical contact for 19 months.
The bochurim need our tefilas.November 22, 2009 8:43 pm at 8:43 pm #668518PosterMember
estherh, heartwrenching!November 23, 2009 3:59 pm at 3:59 pm #668519
well I just heard of a story ( dont know if its true or not) about a heimishe looking guy that came over to a lady and asked her to take a package. she refused. Later that guy got a yeshiva bachur to take it. She was very suspicious and went over to the bachur and told him not to take it cause its a dangerous world. “nuch a mazal” he listened to her and told the security person. They got the guy and guess what it was drugs. You can never be to cautious. ( It was heard on kol mevaser)November 23, 2009 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm #668520smartcookieMember
Yes working. I heard that story. I also heard that this woman followed the guy and saw him walking into a restroom and emerging a few min later without his hat and beard. That confirmed her suspicions.
Terrible story. I can’t believe pple still learn their lesson after the japan story.
To accept a whole SUITCASE? In the AIRPORT?? It yells suspicious!!!November 23, 2009 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #668521ronrsrMember
wearing a hat and beard does not make him good, I think we all know that already. We know that Jews are capable of the highest good AND the lowest evil, so why accept packages on that basis?November 24, 2009 2:30 am at 2:30 am #668522mybatMember
They should really publicize that story so people should be aware of the dangers of being to trustworthy. Although its so sad that we can’t trust anyone anymore.November 24, 2009 5:49 am at 5:49 am #668523ronrsrMember
Mybat, I believe that wise people always exercised discernment over whom to trust.
“Trust, but verify.” – Ronald Reagan
“Trust everyone, but cut the cards.” – Finley Peter Dunne
“In G-d we trust, all others pay cash.” – Jean Shepherd
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