May 20, 2021 3:17 pm at 3:17 pm #1975676Gigabyte22Participant
This week my son who’s in Yeshiva sent me a text message; it caught my attention right away because the text was a website address while my son has a phone without internet access and had no reason to be sending out links. I opened the link to find. . .a GoFundMe page asking for money for Yeshiva Bochurim! The page claims that such monies would be used to enhance their breaks, which in turn would enhance their Seder, quoting the term “Bitulei Zehu Kiyumei.” I called my son to ask what’s going on and he told me that someone is his Yeshiva set up the GoFundMe (and that he sent the link to me by mistake, he clicked on the wrong contact). This is preposterous! What is going on in Yeshivas nowadays that the Bochurim feel a need to raise money for their “breaks”? What’s wrong with simply relaxing or shmoozing or even learning a little if possible?May 20, 2021 3:22 pm at 3:22 pm #1975684lakewhutParticipant
Why not?May 20, 2021 4:42 pm at 4:42 pm #1975722CTRebbeParticipant
I think we need more information on the type of Yeshiva before we comment. Is this a mainstream yeshiva where the expectation is for most boys to be self-motivated. Or perhaps is it a yeshiva where most of the boys struggle and the ONLY way to get them to learn anything is with positive reinforcement?May 20, 2021 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #1975702Yserbius123Participant
If you think Yeshiva Bachurim have never tried to find creative and ethically questionable ways to make money, you never knew any Yeshiva Bachurim.May 20, 2021 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #1975755n0mesorahParticipant
Our entire social system, revolves around fundraising. Acquiring the skill of giving without taking, is the chief moral calling of our day.
I know it is a big statement. But think a bit. How much are our leaders maligned, because of silly claims that ‘they are making money for having that position’?May 20, 2021 7:07 pm at 7:07 pm #1975766commonsaychelParticipant
Are you sure this thread is being written by a father of a bucher? the writing seems very bucherishMay 20, 2021 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #1975776
My thoughts exactlyMay 20, 2021 8:07 pm at 8:07 pm #1975783☕️coffee addictParticipant
You haven’t posted on the other troll threadMay 20, 2021 9:26 pm at 9:26 pm #1975798
>> Acquiring the skill of giving without taking,
how do you acquire these skills, specifically?May 20, 2021 9:28 pm at 9:28 pm #1975797
>> Yeshiva Bachurim have never tried to find creative and ethically questionable ways to make money
Oxymoron. Maybe we need Rabban Gamliel back in charge of places of learning.May 20, 2021 11:38 pm at 11:38 pm #1975843Bklynb613Participant
I’m not sure why this is such a problem. While it is true that fundraising in such a manner is not ideal, perhaps there is a legitimate reason as to why the money is needed. For example, if the Yeshiva has a small budget (not uncommon nowadays) then perhaps the Bucherim need money for regular recreational activities such as renting out a basketball gym, etc.
I actually searched for this GoFundMe to see if there was more information posted. There wasn’t, but if someone is interested in looking for themselves they can click .May 21, 2021 3:46 am at 3:46 am #1975893
did they try opening a (kosher) lemonade stand? or tutor kids? or at least buy a lottery ticket?May 21, 2021 8:21 am at 8:21 am #1975919rationalParticipant
I am a yeshiva bochur
I want money that I don’t have
I can ask Tattie, he has money
If he won’t give me, I can ask Zaidie, he has lots of money.
If Zaidie won’t give me, I can ask the rest of the world. There’s tons of money out there.
It doesn’t really matter who gives me the money.
The bottom line is that I am a YESHIVA BOCHUR and the world exists thanks to me. And I want money. Someone out there should just give it to me. NOW.May 21, 2021 8:21 am at 8:21 am #1975920Bklynb613Participant
I don’t think that the method makes a difference. Lemonade stand or not, fundraising in a way that is unendorsed by the Yeshiva or parents is something that should perhaps be discouraged. This is especially true when the ultimate goal/target fundraising number is vague, leaving room for doubt regarding the actual purpose of the fundraiser. If these Bucherim would have gotten Hanhala or parental approval there would be no problem, it’s simply the fact that these Bucherim are thinking on their own that’s causing this issue. Personally, I believe that there is no harm in donating to the cause but that’s because I found their GoFundMe page and did additional research. Everyone should make their own decision what to do, but keep in mind that most reservations are probably due to the uniqueness of the situation rather than actual concern. The link that was posted before does not seem to be working, but if one were to search for “Help Yeshiva Bochurim Relax and Refresh” on the GoFundMe site they should find the correct fundraiser. You can even contact them directly, as I did, for more information.May 21, 2021 9:07 am at 9:07 am #1975948
i am embarrassed that this page was set up, and that they had the chutzpa to put a sefer torah as the photo, as if this was a religious endeavor, and that they chose to do it on go fund me instead of a frum site with less exposure to the secular world of their panhandling – (asking for handouts for…what exactly). I expected and feared there would be exactly those hate responses that rational posted from the non jews, but i forgot that there were so many hateful frum jews who were capable of it.May 21, 2021 10:44 am at 10:44 am #1975963rationalParticipant
Thanks for calling me frum, others on YWN don’t grant me that.
Nice to see you agree with the content of my message. Unlike you, I am not at all embarrassed that this page was set up. Yeshiva boys practice what they are taught, and this is the message they take home from the yeshiva. Nothing to be embarrassed about. The truth hurts, and I’m just pointing it out. No hate involved, but it’s easy to use that accusation when one doesn’t like what they see in the mirror.May 21, 2021 10:59 am at 10:59 am #1975976CTLAWYERParticipant
My brothers and I worked in daddy’s stores during breaks
My Children and grandchildren worked in our offices during breaks.
All were paid for their labor and then had spending money………………May 21, 2021 11:00 am at 11:00 am #1975979CTLAWYERParticipant
A Go Fund Me is NOT Self-Funding, it is schnoring!May 21, 2021 11:00 am at 11:00 am #1975982
Rational – I know responding to your post will fall on deaf ears but I cannot let you twist MY words to support your illness.
Thanks for calling me frum, others on YWN don’t grant me that.
that’s okay. You and they obviously have a lot in common when it comes to judgement and condemnation. You should hold your tongue.
Nice to see you agree with the content of my message.
NOT! I said I was embarrassed because they are giving fodder to the anti semites. Unlike you, I KNOW this does NOT represent bucherim and I hate when people do dumb things to support stereotypes. I feel the same way when you and Avi say dumb things that you know will support FALSE narratives as well.
Unlike you, I am not at all embarrassed that this page was set up. Yeshiva boys practice what they are taught, and this is the message they take home from the yeshiva.
This is so twisted and disgusting it isn’t worth an answer. There are jerks in every walk of life. I lived the zioni life for my first 20 years and learned the lies and hate they taught as well. It floored me to find out how much of the garbage I was taught about chareidim was a lie and that both “sides” of that fence are full of the same manure when it comes to throwing accusations over the divide. Both have people who will take stupid incidents and write off an entire group for it. You should know better than treating peopl exactly in the non Torah way that you accuse them of treating you. It’s called hypocracy. Look it up.
Nothing to be embarrassed about. The truth hurts, and I’m just pointing it out.
The musser sforim have what to say about denial that takes the form of rationalization of lies and hate. You can look into that too. Unless you aren’t “into” musser. I mean I spent 20 years in the Religious Zionist system and didn’t know there were musser sforim. Should I use that experience to assume you live that way too (your form of “truth”), or should I assume my particular experience was just that, and not representative of all tzionim (the Torah’s form of truth)?
You are too old for this. Move along.May 21, 2021 11:38 am at 11:38 am #1975988n0mesorahParticipant
You are a full generation behind. That outlook is no longer pervasive. The simple truth is that young boys in the yeshiva world are exposed to fundraising more than anything else. Try naming a yeshivish gadol that has no ties to any public fundraising. There are plenty outside of Israel and the East coast. They become forgotten because they are not found in charity ads or flyers.May 21, 2021 12:59 pm at 12:59 pm #1975999Amil ZolaParticipant
This is a job skill for life. edited
Naturally I come from a different generation where studying in Israel wasn’t a given and people/teens worked if they wanted or needed money.
As has been pointed out many times, it’s expensive to be a frum Jew. If you don’t work for wages you have to figure out other ways to pay for the garb and the lifestyle.June 18, 2021 9:25 am at 9:25 am #1984280BenchKvatcherParticipant
Its ok spend your money on vacations dont worry about anything elseJune 18, 2021 12:09 pm at 12:09 pm #1984345hujuParticipant
I misinterpreted the headline on this topic. I thought it was going to be about bochurim getting jobs and supporting themselves with their earnings while learning. I guess I have not been paying close attention.June 18, 2021 5:08 pm at 5:08 pm #1984421
> Try naming a yeshivish gadol that has no ties to any public fundraising.
R Kotler is quoted that he was concerned why Hashem punished him that he has to travel so much in order to fundraise for his yeshiva. He concluded that he probably was not careful with the honor of his students and insulted some of them without noticing.
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