Bochurim Self-Funding

I think we need more information on the type of Yeshiva before we comment. Is this a mainstream yeshiva where the expectation is for most boys to be self-motivated. Or perhaps is it a yeshiva where most of the boys struggle and the ONLY way to get them to learn anything is with positive reinforcement?

Our entire social system, revolves around fundraising. Acquiring the skill of giving without taking, is the chief moral calling of our day.

I know it is a big statement. But think a bit. How much are our leaders maligned, because of silly claims that ‘they are making money for having that position’?

My thoughts exactly

>> Acquiring the skill of giving without taking,

how do you acquire these skills, specifically?

I’m not sure why this is such a problem. While it is true that fundraising in such a manner is not ideal, perhaps there is a legitimate reason as to why the money is needed. For example, if the Yeshiva has a small budget (not uncommon nowadays) then perhaps the Bucherim need money for regular recreational activities such as renting out a basketball gym, etc.
I actually searched for this GoFundMe to see if there was more information posted. There wasn’t, but if someone is interested in looking for themselves they can click .

I am a yeshiva bochur
I want money that I don’t have
I can ask Tattie, he has money
If he won’t give me, I can ask Zaidie, he has lots of money.
If Zaidie won’t give me, I can ask the rest of the world. There’s tons of money out there.
It doesn’t really matter who gives me the money.
The bottom line is that I am a YESHIVA BOCHUR and the world exists thanks to me. And I want money. Someone out there should just give it to me. NOW.

i am embarrassed that this page was set up, and that they had the chutzpa to put a sefer torah as the photo, as if this was a religious endeavor, and that they chose to do it on go fund me instead of a frum site with less exposure to the secular world of their panhandling – (asking for handouts for…what exactly). I expected and feared there would be exactly those hate responses that rational posted from the non jews, but i forgot that there were so many hateful frum jews who were capable of it.

My brothers and I worked in daddy’s stores during breaks
My Children and grandchildren worked in our offices during breaks.
All were paid for their labor and then had spending money………………

Rational – I know responding to your post will fall on deaf ears but I cannot let you twist MY words to support your illness.

Thanks for calling me frum, others on YWN don’t grant me that.

that’s okay. You and they obviously have a lot in common when it comes to judgement and condemnation. You should hold your tongue.

Nice to see you agree with the content of my message.

NOT! I said I was embarrassed because they are giving fodder to the anti semites. Unlike you, I KNOW this does NOT represent bucherim and I hate when people do dumb things to support stereotypes. I feel the same way when you and Avi say dumb things that you know will support FALSE narratives as well.

Unlike you, I am not at all embarrassed that this page was set up. Yeshiva boys practice what they are taught, and this is the message they take home from the yeshiva.

This is so twisted and disgusting it isn’t worth an answer. There are jerks in every walk of life. I lived the zioni life for my first 20 years and learned the lies and hate they taught as well. It floored me to find out how much of the garbage I was taught about chareidim was a lie and that both “sides” of that fence are full of the same manure when it comes to throwing accusations over the divide. Both have people who will take stupid incidents and write off an entire group for it. You should know better than treating peopl exactly in the non Torah way that you accuse them of treating you. It’s called hypocracy. Look it up.

Nothing to be embarrassed about. The truth hurts, and I’m just pointing it out.

The musser sforim have what to say about denial that takes the form of rationalization of lies and hate. You can look into that too. Unless you aren’t “into” musser. I mean I spent 20 years in the Religious Zionist system and didn’t know there were musser sforim. Should I use that experience to assume you live that way too (your form of “truth”), or should I assume my particular experience was just that, and not representative of all tzionim (the Torah’s form of truth)?

You are too old for this. Move along.

This is a job skill for life. edited

Naturally I come from a different generation where studying in Israel wasn’t a given and people/teens worked if they wanted or needed money.

As has been pointed out many times, it’s expensive to be a frum Jew. If you don’t work for wages you have to figure out other ways to pay for the garb and the lifestyle.

I misinterpreted the headline on this topic. I thought it was going to be about bochurim getting jobs and supporting themselves with their earnings while learning. I guess I have not been paying close attention.