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  • #603044
    avhaben
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    What is a boich svara, where do you find them and how do you recognize it as such?

    #870795
    Csar
    Member

    Something a yodle comes up with on his own to shlug up accepted psak or teitch.

    Certain commenters here have a tendency to practice this.

    #870796

    “Bouch Sevorus” is a translation of ????? ??????

    which is an expression found in many seforim. The following is a sample:

    ???? ??? ??? ?-? (????? ??? ???????) ??? ???

    ?? ???? ??????? ?? ???? ????? ??????, ??? ???.

    ??”? ????? ??? ???? ???? ??? ? ???? ??

    ???”? ?”? ???? ?”? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ????,

    ??”? ??????? ????? ??? ? ???? ??

    ???”? ????? ?????? ????.

    ??”? ???? ???? ??? ???? ??? ? ???? ??

    ?? ?”? ??? ?? ????? ??????

    ??”? ???? ?????? ??? ? ???? ??

    ???”? ?”? ?????? ???? ????? ????? ????? ??????

    ??”? ????? ???? ??? ? – ???? ??? ???? ??

    ?? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ???? ?? ???? ???

    ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ???’

    ??”? ????”? ???? ???

    ????? ??????,

    #870797
    pcoz
    Member

    maybe the mekor is

    ???? ????? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ??????? ???? ?????, ???? ?????? ???? ??????? ???? ??????? ???? ????

    #870799

    pcoz:

    ????? are kidneys not

    ??? which mean stomach.

    #870800
    dhl144
    Member

    a peshat that comes from some1 that is using his stomach instead of his brain simply put

    #870801
    OneOfMany
    Participant

    So that’s what it means…lol that’s funny.

    #870802
    oomis
    Participant

    Is that anything like a Klutz Kasha?

    #870803
    pcoz
    Member

    it’s lav davka, it means that you feel this is the halacha. I doubt that Avraham Avinu’s kidneys had any more part in being a mayan ha’novea hachachma to him than any other part of his anatomy, it’s a geder of mibesari echezeh eloak.

    #870804
    yitayningwut
    Participant

    pcoz –

    Chazal are full of statements which say that the kidneys in particular are a source of chochma. In fact, the Gemara in Chullin (11a) seems to understand the biblical word ??? (atzeh) as referring to the kidneys, because the kidneys give “eitza.” The Midrash you cite is understandable in that context. It is hard to believe that the term “boich svara” or ???? ???? has anything to do with that, first because the stomach is not the kidneys, and second because this term has always been used as a put-down.

    #870805
    derszoger
    Member

    Are kidneys kishkas? As in – I can feel it in my kishkas.

    #870806
    yitayningwut
    Participant

    Lol, nice try, but no. Kishkas are literally guts or intestines which are the ?????. It’s the same as saying “I have a gut feeling.”

    #870807
    derszoger
    Member

    Whose guts do we eat in our cholent?

    #870808
    pcoz
    Member

    it was a boich sevara

    #870809
    Sam2
    Participant

    I saw today that the Nodah Bihudah uses the phrase “S’varos K’reisiyos” in O.C. 1:35.

    #870810
    yitayningwut
    Participant

    hehe u got me pcoz

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