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  • #2068077
    RR44
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    I was blown away by the book on rabbi scheiner zatza”l. awe inspiring gadlus, brilliant writing, no whitewashing, clear reference to hashkapha – both about the primacy of toira learning, zionism, and even a chapter called an unforgettable yom kippur night in which concepts of bechira are touched upon.

    Two things however bothered me, a) the writer claims R’ Yitzchok was niftar from corona – the truth is R’ yitzchak and his sister – the wife of R’ Nosson Vishky shlit”a – were from teh extremely miniscule people who died immediately after taking the vaccine.

    Additonally an entire chapter of the book is devoted to his brother in law Rabbi Goldstein, his hashkapha – again brilliantly captured – and his moissad, Beis Yehuda in Detroit, going as far as to picture R’ yitzchak with the head of the adminisstration.

    #2068181
    ujm
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    Why does the part about Rabbi Goldstein bother you?

    Even if wrong, what’s the big deal (in regards to a minor detail in the book) about corona vs. vaccine?

    #2068191
    AviraDeArah
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    I was zocheh to eat by rav sheiner twice during my time in eretz yisroel; my dirah was actually very close to his house…my friend and i worked up the courage to knock on his door, and we were greeted by an einikel. His eniklach don’t speak English for the most part, even though the Rosh Yeshiva spoke very polished. We were led to his study, where he was reclining while learning from a small gemara; he had both a look of menuchas henfesh as well as intensity at the same time… it’s hard to describe. He was very warm and welcoming, asked us where we learned, etc…we were invited to eat by him, which we were very excited to do.

    By the seudah, he and his sons/grandsons were talking in learning in rapid fire… throwing out mekoros, kashes, terutzim…real milchamta shel torah. He was suffering from some form of memory loss at the time, and couldn’t recall many mundane things….he also forgot the name of rabbi kook (he said “”the first rav harashi…i can’t think of his name”, while in learning…..shas, poskim, tanach…were all on his fingertips. It was truly remarkable. He answered a very difficult kasha on the parshah without blinking! Seeing him left an indelible impression on me.

    #2068214

    RR44, both Hamodia and YWN reported that Rav contracted the virus (17 days after getting 1st vaccine), there was a separate article at that time asking for tehilim when he was tested, and was niftar a week after that. So, it is not a mix up.

    #2068220
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    “Additonally an entire chapter of the book is devoted to his brother in law Rabbi Goldstein, his hashkapha – again brilliantly captured – and his moissad, Beis Yehuda in Detroit, going as far as to picture R’ yitzchak with the head of the adminisstration.”
    So what’s the problem?

    #2068301
    commonsaychel
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    There is someone who grew up in a public school none frum background, went to YU then to mainstream yeshivas, then became a Rosh Yeshiva. Interesting

    #2068316
    AviraDeArah
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    Common, his parents were frum; he grew up shomer shabbos. He also was introduced to learning by visiting students of Torah Vodaas, where he first learned.

    #2068330

    Avira, I think, common uses “frum” as a short form for charedi, he is not including regular shomer shabbos Jews.

    #2068360
    Gadolhadorah
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    ” he is not including REGULAR shomer shabbos Jews…”

    I’m always nervous when someone uses the term “regular” to define some type of norm. On the political right, they seemingly always use the term “regular” or “real” American to carve out their stereotype of the east and west coast “liberal elites”. Here in the CR, parsing between are their “regular frum yidden”, “charedi frum yidden”, etc? To be frum within the context of this wordsoup, do you need to check all 613 boxes on your “Shomer Torah Umitzvos Survey Form”? Does drinking chalav stam, holding by eruvim and skiing in Northface gear make you “irregular” from a hashkafah perspective?

    #2068406
    Gadolhadorah
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    ” he is not including REGULAR shomer shabbos Jews…”

    I’m always nervous when someone uses the term “regular” to define some type of norm. On the political right, they seemingly always use the term “regular” or “real” American to carve out their stereotype of the east and west coast “liberal elites”. Here in the CR, parsing between are their “regular frum yidden”, “charedi frum yidden”, etc? To be frum within the context of this wordsoup, do you need to check all 613 boxes on your “Shomer Torah Umitzvos Survey Form”? Does drinking chalav stam, holding by eruvim and skiing in Northface gear make you “irregular” from a hashkafah perspective, just “chareidi frum” or is the latter an oxymoron?

    #2068416
    ujm
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    50+ years ago many frum kids went to public school. Many survivied in Yiddishkeit and many did not.

    #2068468
    Yserbius123
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    I was zoche to meet R’ Scheiner ZT”L once with some friends. He gave us a short shiur and talked about his life growing up in the USA and getting sent to Europe to learn Torah. As American bochurim, it somehow felt more real and personal to have a great Rosh Yeshiva who spoke perfect English with a heavy Pennsylvanian accent.

    He caught COVID after getting vaccinated. Unfortunately he was very old, so even with the vaccine the virus was too strong.

    #2068444
    AviraDeArah
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    Ujm, the overwhelming majority… Over 90%, completely were lost

    #2068588
    RR44
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    I will explain my problems.

    Why is a whole chapter devoted to his b-i-l? Nothing is devoted to another b-i-l, HaGaon R’ Nosson Vishky, for whom he was also shadchan, and who was much much much closer with him, even sharing the edelstein brothers as mechutanim?

    The chapter includes dei’ois on learning vs teaching, and a lengthy description of his b-i-l’s accomplishment.

    His covid did not seem serious, he was at home with fever and he he was hospitalized wth heart failure. I am not anti – vax, in fact I am vaccinated, but i still feel that R’ Yitzchok was from th very unfortunate cases.

    #2068623

    RR44, I see, I double-checked just published research on myocarditis after vaccines:
    onset of symptoms is within 7 days from the vaccine, not 17, and rates of myocarditis for men in age groups 30 and older after first Pfizer vaccine (and 60 and older for 2nd vaccine close in time) are not elevated. At the same time, risk of myocarditis for people older >= 75 after covid is 30x higher than the baseline.

    #2068632
    pekak
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    @RR44

    The book is (I assume) written in English and geared to the American market. The question should be why a book hasn’t been written about Rav Sholom Goldstein in the approximately 4 decades since his passing. Maybe a book in hebrew for the israeli market will focus more on his other brother-in-law.

    #2068656
    Zushy
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    p’shat is poshut

    the “vaccine” is really a micro chip containing a GPS reader, and includes a poison that can be released at Bill Gates decision.

    Since Bil gates is a computer mangate, it is worth his while to kill off a massive proportion of peole thereby seriousy lowing real estate prices, bankrupting other mangates, and ensuring a younger median of populaton which will cause computer usage and dependency to soar.

    In cahoots with R’ Zlotowitz and R’ Seltzer he publishes a book insisting that a perfectly healthy man died from covid, thereby encouraging people to take the microchip vaccine. Since Detroit has lower levels of vaccine he therefore decided to include a chapter abut a moissad in Detroit thereby encouraging detroiters to buy the book.

    Additionally he feels that if people from Detroit will read the book it will cause lower producitivity and auto construction, thereby offsetting the effects of climate change which were reallly the prime purpose of the Russia – Ukraine war.

    He agreed with Artscroll that he will allow a picture of R’ Yitzchok with Mr. Torgow – who is a board member of Artscroll/mesoira, – in return for being aloowed to indocrinate the public with a book about a healthy person who died from Covid.

    He also wanted to include a picture of himself with R’ Yitzchok, and even photoshopped one, but then R’ Zlotowitz explained that this will be counter porductive to the pro microchip program as someone on YWN might work it all out.

    He is also planning about the dynamic Rabbi Goldstein, however he wants to wait for a generation who will be able to be indocrinated that Rabbi Goldstein too died from Corona.

    Despite all the above our gedoilim {maran R’ Gershon eidelstein, Maran HaGraCH Kanievsky and many admoirim] that one should still allow oneself to receive the microchip, since after all hundreds of millions have received it and perhaps twenty have died from myocarditis, and they realize it is unlikely that Bill Gates will give the whole world myocarditis at the same moment.

    #2068657
    Zushy
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    Additionally the insertion of micro chips in people has enabled Mr. Gates to control the weather, therefore arranging snow storms in March in both New York today and Yerushalayim later this week.

    all this is clearly written in my sefer Noam Zusha which i published a few years ago. [Although no on had seen the sefer at the time, you can check the shaar blattt, it clearly says I published it five years to the day before the “discovery” of the micro chip vaccine.

    #2068674
    Leiby Wasser
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    “the truth is R’ yitzchak and his sister – the wife of R’ Nosson Vishky shlit”a – were from teh extremely miniscule people who died immediately after taking the vaccine”
    In what way were they miniscule people? Perhaps you mean to say “THE extremely miniscule number of people”?

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