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  • #602317

    oomis
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    I know we might have discussed this before, but which machine is more user-friendly, and what are the advantages of one over the other? I have an opportunity to buy a lightly-used Bosch, but I cannot remember what was said about it? Are there different types, and if so, what features are available on a model that normally retails for about $450?

    #857083

    big deal
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    I’ve had experience with both. It really depends what you need it for most.

    The Bosch is a very basic machine with a very strong motor. The best part about it is that it comes with a cover so the flour doesn’t make a mess all over. It’s great for Challos. (I do six pounds of flour). I really does a great job mixing all on its own. You don’t need to babysit the dough. All you have to do it throw in all the ingredients and start the machine. It does a great job mixing.

    The Magic Mill definitely takes up more room in the cabinet. The attachments for mixing connect to an arm that comes from the bottom and reaches over the top of the bowl. (The bosch connections are all on the inside of the bottom of the bowl.) Which makes it a bit harder to clean. There is no cover so you really have to be careful when you add the flour. With this machine you really need to stand and watch the dough/batter and make sure that it is getting mixed all the way. For instance you have to alternated between a little flour and a little water to make sure you get the texture you want.

    One thing that’s important to know is that Although the Bosch does a fine job getting a stiff snow, there’s no arguing that the Magic Mill does a better job. Somehow the snow is fluffier and stiffer and has a better texture. (The Kitchen Aid would win hands down for the snow or cream)

    #857084

    The Best Bubby
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    Buy the Bosch. It is the VERY BEST machine to have. I have a Kenwood Major and the best machine ever is the Bosch to make challahs, kokosh, breads, bagels, and the cakes etc.

    It is heavy duty and it will B’EH last for many long, good baking years, to do for many simachot I’YH.

    Is the one you are think of purchasing a 1000 watt machine or a 850 watt machine? How old is the model? Does the machine come with a stainless steel bowl with a column in it like a angel pan or is the stainless steel bowl flat? I have two bowls. One with the column (like the angel pan), I use for all cakes, but not kokosh or fruit cakes. I have another bowl, a stainless steel bowl for the challahs, breads, bagel, kokosh, rugalach dough, cookie dough, heavy fruit cake mixture or any heavy doughs. If the machine does not have the full stainless steel bowl, it is worth buying one online and I will send the link to you, if you need it. My friend just purchased a Bosch and she is estatic with it. Her sister is now buying one. The Bosch has a plastic cover so the flour does not fly everywhere. The Mill does not have a cover and the flour goes everywherte, and goes at a smaller speed due to the wattage. You can also get an attachment for a shredder/slicer for the Bosch.

    It is a phenominal machine worth every single penny!!!!

    #857085

    MDG
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    I did not realize those machines cost like $450. I was curious as they seems useful. To find reviews, try Amazon.

    I have been using the Yadaim mixers for years. That reminds me… Shabbat is coming up.

    #857086

    The Best Bubby
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    Big Deal: I have the Bosch and it is VERY EASY to clean! I leave the barts to soak for a few minutes and wash it with a stiff dishwashing brush and the dishwashing liquid soap and it is clean. I make the egg whites in the Bosch and it comes out great. Everything is a “mazal zach”. It also depends on how cold the eggs are, i.e. room temperature, if you added sugar straight away or if you let the egg whites to whisk a bit and then add the sugar very SLOWLY, and then lower the speed a bit to incoporate the sugar, and the increase the speed to get it to its maximum.

    My friend has a Magic Mill and is always complaining. I am B’H very happy with the Bosch. And, my daughter in law has a Bosch too.

    #857087

    Nechomah
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    When you say lightly used, you must know which model you are getting. The “mechanical” one, with the bowls like what Best Buddy is describing is from the good quality machine. The “electric” or electronic ones are much less strong and not necessarily worth the $. I have the better version and it is good, has the advantages like what big deal say (cover, putting pieces in the bottom of the bowl when not in use). Some of the attachments that might be worthwhile is the meat grinder (can make homemade chopped liver with this or meat patties) and the cookie paddles – this is great for making a bigger batch of cookie dough that the bread dough hook can’t mix together and the whisks also don’t do well with. The cookie paddles are a great middle that makes terrific cookies.

    One final comment about the Bosch that I’d like to make. This “good” model is no longer being manufactured unfortunately. You should look on line to see what kind of attachments you can still get for it. I was in need of a new plastic bowl more than 2 years ago and wanted to get all of the standard attachments with it since mine were not in such great shape. I was told by the place where I ordered it that I was getting one of the last they had in stock and that they’d almost had to cancel my order. Just be cautious.

    Enjoy your purchase if you decide to go through with it. Make sure to bring a new supply of cookies/brownies/whatever you are baking to the CR since we’re running low on treats right now.

    #857088

    oomis
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    Thank you to ALL who reponded. You were very helpful, and I am giving serious thought to this. I used to make challah and other breads(completely by hand) all the time, but after a hand injury, I found that even healed, it was very painful to knead the dough, and I stopped. I would like to do this again.

    #857089

    iYid
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    i love the bosch for challa. I have the newer model and when i first got it I really wanted the older model bec I heard that the new one isnt as good. I dont see that it does a different job than the old one with challah.

    #857090

    big deal
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    Best Bubby:

    I love my Bosch. I don’t know what I said that made you think otherwise. I would definitely get it again if I had to make the choice. I just stated the fact about the egg whites. If you do the same thing to both whites in the Mill and the Bosch, you’d get better results in the Magic Mill. My whites come out fine in the Bosch. For me the difference is not worth buying the Mill over the Bosch. My cakes come out just fine in the Bosch.

    #857091

    big deal
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    And I did forget to mention the cleaning – you can’t compare. That was why I mentioned the basic part about the Bosch. It is very easy to clean.

    #857092

    Nechomah
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    iYid, what model do you have? I will need to know for my daughters, who are fast approaching shidduchim (gulp)!

    #857093

    The Best Bubby
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    The difference between the newer model and the older model is wattage. The older model has 650 watts. The newer model has 1000 watts. The newer model has a stainless steel bowl that has a column, such as a angel food pan. This is good for cakes rather than the larger stainless steel bowl which can take 5lb of flour, + all the other ingreients in one go. It is available to buy online to accomodate the newer model and it fits. My friend bought in London the newer model, and purchased the bigger round stainless bowl online and is so happy with both. She makes great challahs and all cakes with her newer model.

    #857094

    yentingyenta
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    my mother got a bosch when she got married-the one that has the pillar in the middle. its the one with the plastic cover and can easily make 6 lbs of challah. its alittle difficult to take the dough out sometimes if its a stiffer dough but its usually not a problem. cleaning is easy if its soaked. for all other baked stuff we use a kitchen aid.

    i got to use a magic mill while in seminary. i was not so into the arm attachment thing a majiggy. it was a strong machine though. personally though, i would want the basch for challah. or a kitchen aid. the regular one can make 7 cups of flour easily. it does struggle at 3 lbs or more

    #857095

    RABBAIM
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    Is the Bosch made in Germany??

    If it is, do you feel comfortable making Challos for Shabbos Kodesh in a machine made there? Over 30 percent of the country are still nazi sympathizers….do we need to support them?

    I recall years ago that frum people were buying a gagenau oven from A&B appliances and put on a different name plate to hide the fact that it was german. I am appalled that people who have a bit of a neshama would still feel OK to eat chicken, challos and kugel baked in a GERMAN MADE OVEN!!! APPALLING!! I wonder on who and how they perfected their technology… have we no pride?????

    #857096

    writersoul
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    I seem to be the only person here who uses a Magic Mill and loves it! It’s heavy (I’m pretty small and have weak muscle tone so I get my dad to take it out for me) but that’s the only minus I can think of off-hand. It’s a great bread dough mixer (we don’t use it for anything except for bread, so I don’t know how to judge it as far as other stuff is concerned) and it’s very thorough. I love not needing ti scrape the bowl. And the challos come out great (if I do say so myself)!

    #857097

    oomis
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    Rabbaim – FTR, I didn’t/don’t know that the Bosch is made in Germany. However, that being said, if we would not buy any products that were made by people who hate or killed Jews, we would not be able to buy ANYTHING that was not made solely by Jews. Everyone hates us.

    #857098

    RABBAIM
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    oomis-

    Most hold that Germany is amalek……. same type of gezairos and hatred leading to extermination.. it’s not simple anti-semitism. Arch enemy, hatred withour logic, not for purpose of shmad.. jsut to kill. That was haman, amalek, and germany. Buy from them?

    #857099

    RABBAIM
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    oomis-

    Hating us is one thing……. being a continuation of amalek in all areas is another.

    #857100

    hello99
    Member

    I checked into it about 25 years ago, and Bosch then was a Jewish-owned company

    #857101

    yaaw
    Member

    I am actually buying a new mixer for Pesach. My magic mill (which got a lot of use and I love) just broke. I like the size because I can triple recipes. Can anyone help me regarding size of the different mixers and quality for pesach baking (I don’t need the strength of the motor for challah dough)

    #857102

    tahini
    Member

    Bosch is 100% German. Not overly pro Nazi record at all, some say helped to fund resistance to Nazis. Bosch the original founder in the 19th century had Jewish origins but converted to Christianity. Bosch is a privately owned ( christian) family firm with philanthropic history.

    The word Bosch is often used in slang as another word for German, compared to other German companies such as Bayer or Volkswagen positively angelic! I try not to buy German products, yes world hates us , but Nazi genocide was colossal and its legacy lives on with deep scars in our subconscious.

    #857103

    RABBAIM
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    Almost anyone will be angelic in comparison wit those companies?

    To reiterate, why give Jew murderers one cent if there are other options?

    #857104

    Bosch appliances are made by a Bosch-Siemens joint venture. The most common consumer goods made by Bosch alone are power tools.

    I would make an exception for buying Bosch tools even though I usually don’t buy anything durable from Nazistan (and all the more so given Zeresh Merkel yemach shma’s position on Arab terror in EY), but given the horrendous record of Siemens, I would not touch Bosch appliances.

    Bosch was never Jewish owned. If the family has Jewish roots, they go way, way back before Robert Bosch was even born.

    Jewish owned at one time would be AEG (which you probably don’t find in the US unless you’re looking for very heavy-duty power tools such as what you’d use to give Og Melech Bashan a bris).

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