March 18, 2013 2:52 pm at 2:52 pm #608658
I get paid for the whole Pesach and don’t have to come into work. From an objective ethical standpoint, do I have to come into work the Sunday before if my boss asks me to?March 18, 2013 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #940854gavra_at_workParticipant
I get paid for the whole Pesach and don’t have to come into work. From an objective ethical standpoint, do I have to come into work the Sunday before if my boss asks me to?
Who pays you for Pesach? The boss? The boss can change that as well if he/she desires.March 18, 2013 3:08 pm at 3:08 pm #940855
So your saying ethics aside I am at his mercy.March 18, 2013 3:09 pm at 3:09 pm #9408562scentsParticipant
yes, he is giving you more than a week off paid. by coming in sunday, you will give him the impression that you really care.March 18, 2013 3:13 pm at 3:13 pm #940857gavra_at_workParticipant
So your saying ethics aside I am at his mercy.
“Ethics” says he doesn’t have to pay you for Pesach.March 18, 2013 3:20 pm at 3:20 pm #940858
You get paid for pesach even if you don’t go in on Chol Hamoed? Wow.March 18, 2013 3:26 pm at 3:26 pm #940859
I know he is simply asking us to come in because he feels the need to use us to the last drop. Because we seriously sit and do nothing all day. I go out of my mind! Im coming on my day off, erev chag, and there isnt even any work that needs to be done.March 18, 2013 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm #940860
Gamanit- yes,yes I know I am lucky and anyone who doesn’t get paid would jump at that chance and come in on Sunday willingly.March 18, 2013 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm #940861
pou_bear curiouser and curiouser… you get paid for sitting and doing nothing and for not coming in on Pesach? Can I join? I’ll bring along my iPod and Kindle and enjoy myself!March 18, 2013 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm #940862yentemonkeyMember
from what im hearing is that your boss doesnt even have work for you to complete,but he obviously is paying you and if he is paying he has the right to demand you to come in to work and dont forget he has the right to change his mind about paying for the whole pesach, and obviously he likes your work that he is willing to pay you the whole pesach so if i was in your shoes as a token of appreciation id come in to work even though i know %100 their is no work to be done , good luck and chag kasher vesameachMarch 18, 2013 3:55 pm at 3:55 pm #9408632scentsParticipant
Sunday is not Erev Chag, being closed for the entire yom Tov is hard. All he is asking is for you to show up on Sunday so that he can feel that the mess Yom Tov will bring will be a little minimized.March 18, 2013 3:57 pm at 3:57 pm #940864
hahahahah loving the passionate rants.
Gamanit & yentemonkey:
hence “objective”March 18, 2013 4:19 pm at 4:19 pm #940865
I think the reason why I feel dibbed is because there are a bunch of people that just don’t show up and because I don’t have the guts to do that I end up feeling like the moron that came to work.And its not like he gets annoyed that they don’t come.March 18, 2013 4:39 pm at 4:39 pm #940866
is the paid pesach instaed of getting off for legal holidays? Cuz then he doesnt have the right to change his mind. But why should he be able to ask sunday? During a regular week would he ask you to come in on a sunday and would you?March 18, 2013 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm #940867charliehallParticipant
You are getting off all of Chol HaMoed and you feel like you are being worked “to the last drop”???? I would *volunteer* to work on Sunday in order to get that kind of deal!March 18, 2013 5:48 pm at 5:48 pm #940868
Yes, we DO NOT get off legal holidays and during the season we stay late and come in on Sunday.March 18, 2013 7:54 pm at 7:54 pm #940869sharpMember
pou_bear = “I know he is simply asking us to come in because he feels the need to use us to the last drop.”
No he’s probably asking you to come in so that you should be up to date with work before Pesach so that the accumulation of work should be new projects, not old ones.
He’s not asking for too much, by the way.March 18, 2013 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #940870
pou_bear- I don’t get off legal holidays or chol hamoed. I might even have work on Monday- and I’m not kidding.March 18, 2013 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #940871yitayningwutParticipant
If your original agreement was that you do not have to work on Pesach then it is unethical of him to go now and use that as a means of pressuring you into working on Sunday. If he does so he is unfairly taking advantage of you. Of course, he can ask you for whatever favor he wants, but he shouldn’t be guilt-tripping you based on something he has already agreed to.
If per your original agreement you are supposed to work on Sunday, then, well, why would you feel that you don’t have to work? There is still nothing wrong with asking for a favor, of course.March 18, 2013 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #940872BrooklinebornParticipant
If you are really opposed to coming in on Sunday, take the day off without pay. No one is forcing you to go but to get paid, you have to go. Working before a long week holiday is not unreasonable. Ask anyone who has to work or use vacation time or take the holidays without pay or someone looking for work. The Grass is not always greener. Go to work happily or plan to be off the day before the holiday. That is not looked at kindly where I work.March 18, 2013 8:18 pm at 8:18 pm #940873emanParticipant
If you have a problem find another job.March 18, 2013 9:27 pm at 9:27 pm #940874
well, if you worked last sunday, then its reasonable for him to expect this sunday too. if you won’t have work though…
but it has nothing to do with the fact that you’ll have the rest of the week off. thats your legal holiday vacation that’s paid, it’s not a “favor” he’s giving you that should affect your decision about wokring on sundayMarch 18, 2013 11:11 pm at 11:11 pm #940876
yitayningwut,Brooklineborn let me clarify:
I don’t work on Sundays. I don’t get paid for Sundays I am asked to come in for (which happens before holidays and during peak season)
I always have work the day of Yom Tov (which gives me more need for the Sunday off)March 18, 2013 11:16 pm at 11:16 pm #940877
eman- Lesson of the day: Running away from a problem(in this case a minor nuisance) is never the solution 😉March 18, 2013 11:18 pm at 11:18 pm #940878☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
As YTW says, it’s really a halachic shaila and depends upon the conditions of employment.March 19, 2013 12:23 am at 12:23 am #940879yitayningwutParticipant
I don’t get paid for Sundays I am asked to come in for
Why???March 19, 2013 1:37 am at 1:37 am #940880kfbParticipant
I don’t understand what you mean that you don’t get paid for coming in on Sundays. Do you get paid for staying late? I would come in on Sunday, especially if I have the whole week off. Show your boss that you care. Even if half of the cs department doesn’t come in, that looks good for you if you do.March 19, 2013 2:57 am at 2:57 am #940881Torah613TorahParticipant
I’ve realized why my sense of ethics bothers others.
You should go if you can go. If you can’t then you can’t. But don’t take advantage of your boss’s generosity.March 19, 2013 7:17 am at 7:17 am #940882
i don’t see giving pesach off a matter of the boss being generous. He is giving it as their paid legal holiday days, which he has to do, he just changed around the dates to benefit them more. Sunday has nothing to do with the fact that they get off pesach.
On another point, why don’t you get paid for sunday work??March 19, 2013 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm #940883MorahRachMember
My sister in law works in what I assume is a similar or the same place, sounds like it at least, and she is paid for Sundays. Why are you not?March 19, 2013 4:30 pm at 4:30 pm #940884zahavasdadParticipant
There is no law you have to give paid holidays. Most companies do pay for them as a benefit, but they dont have toMarch 22, 2013 4:23 pm at 4:23 pm #940885
MorahRach,SaysMe – He feels that because he pays us for all Jewish holidays he can ask us to come in on the Sunday before these holidays and on peak season Sundays so as to “compensate”
dun dun dun dun
Sunday is drawing nearer….March 22, 2013 4:36 pm at 4:36 pm #940886MorahRachMember
Right no I understand that. I guess you should be happy you don’t have to use your off days for Yuntif and should count yourself lucky? I have friends who use up most of their sick and vacation days because of Succos and Pesach.March 22, 2013 4:39 pm at 4:39 pm #940887zahavasdadParticipant
Many people use up their vacation days for YOM TOV, not even Chol Hamoed, just Yom Tom AloneMarch 22, 2013 4:45 pm at 4:45 pm #940888popa_bar_abbaParticipant
This is absurd. Most people in America who have normal jobs frequently are required to work on weekends or after hours. The days of 40 hour weeks are long past.
I don’t even care what the pay structure is structured as. You know how much you are making, and now you know how much work is requried for that. If you aren’t making enough for the work you are doing, you’re free to quit (under the 13th amendment).March 22, 2013 4:54 pm at 4:54 pm #940889
I was not asking if I should quit 🙂March 22, 2013 8:00 pm at 8:00 pm #940890EmfreeMember
What was the agreement when you took this job? Were you fully aware that you would be working extra hours for no pay to make up for the hours missed during Yom Tov?
Do you get paid sick/vacation days?March 22, 2013 9:48 pm at 9:48 pm #940891BronyParticipant
objective ethical standpoint
lol wutMarch 24, 2013 2:23 pm at 2:23 pm #940892
here i am at work. on the coffee room lolMarch 25, 2013 2:16 am at 2:16 am #940893kfbParticipant
I also went to work today, maybe I saw you there pou bear.March 25, 2013 4:46 am at 4:46 am #940894
I feel bad for the multitude of girls and women working tomorrow morning…March 25, 2013 9:09 am at 9:09 am #940895
I fully agree with charliehall and Gamanit.
I’m at work now, Monday. Should finish by 16:00 (4 PM). That’s life.
Some say I should take off. But if I am going to take off for Purim, for Erev Pesach, Chol haMoed, Tisha b’Av, Rosh HaShono, Erev Yom Kippur, Hoshana Rabba, I am going to end up with no holidays left, being a slave to the company.
Now some people may be absolutely fine with that – but unfortunately I am not at that level, so I’m working and taking off in the summer (and sometimes winter) for a 2-3 week holiday which allows me to work for the rest of the year.March 25, 2013 1:16 pm at 1:16 pm #940896sw33tMember
I’m a girl and I’m at work today.. I would gladly have come in yesterday and had today off!!!!!!!!!
Also, I use all my vacation days on just Chagim. any “erev” or “chol hamoed” i start losing money… and from what I understand,most people are in the same boat..March 25, 2013 3:12 pm at 3:12 pm #940897
Im at work today too 🙂 on the coffee room again.March 25, 2013 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm #940898
The most annoying part is going to work on an erev and having people say “your working today?????” with such disbelief.March 25, 2013 4:48 pm at 4:48 pm #940899🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
I’m working today, just not at my job:)
I worked til 4 on Friday though and if I wasn’t on spring break now I’m not sure if I could’ve taken the day off.
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