Boy lost intl. chemistry competition for refusing to compete on Shabbos
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May 16, 2022 8:28 am at 8:28 am #2087065
Gai Ezra, “The Sarug boy refused to compete on Saturday and lost”, Srugim, 16.05.22
Translated from Rotter, 16.05.22
An Israeli boy lost an international chemistry competition because he refused to compete on Shabbos
“Hello Sivan, my name is Nehama Spielman, the director of social education at Kibbutz Tirat Zvi. I think it is important to publish the following story:
Nat’e Eiger, an 11th grade boy from the kibbutz, traveled abroad to compete at the International Mendeleev Olympics in Chemistry (by the way, Neta is a descendant of Rabbi Akiva Eiger who was famous for his [genius] Ge’onus).
The six best young chemists in the country were sent from Israel to the competition, among them Nat’e. He excelled in the first two stages but unfortunately the third and most important lab test was held last Saturday.
Despite early promises to allow Nat’e to be tested on Friday or Saturday night, in practice he was not allowed to do so. In our opinion, Israel should insist on this as an official policy, and not as a private benefit to Nat’e.
In the end, Nat’e did not take the test on Shabbat. For us – he passed another test. At the kibbutz and at his school in Sde Eliyahu, a world champion’s reception is being prepared for him. “He prepared for this competition for three whole years, he is an outstanding chemist, and tonight he takes off back to Israel, without a trophy, but with a lot of faith and loyalty to values.”
(In the photo: Nate, with a Kippa, in the competition)May 16, 2022 10:54 am at 10:54 am #2087144akupermaParticipant
This is a surprise only to those who believe that anti-Jewish bigotry died out some time in the ancient past. Outside of Eretz Yisrael (where only Hareidim have to deal with discrimination), any non-assimilated (defining assimilation has one who has given up observance of Shabbos and Kashrus) Jew faces substantial discrimination.May 16, 2022 11:48 am at 11:48 am #2087154Yabia OmerParticipant
What is the point of saying Sarug boy? The type of kippa makes a difference?May 16, 2022 11:49 am at 11:49 am #2087160GadolhadorahParticipant
There are multiple cases of competitive events where frum yidden seek to participate but have to navigate the rules and schedules for events. In some cases, event organizers are able to juggle the schedule to accommodate competitors who are shomer shabbos w/o disruption or creating problems for other participants. In other cases involving tight schedules and multiple rounds of events, it really isn’t feasible. In this cases, it would seem that they SHOULD have been able to accommodate but I wouldn’t jump to conclusions about anti-semitic intent versus simple stupidity and bureaucracy.May 16, 2022 1:41 pm at 1:41 pm #2087187
Jewish shmad state at it againMay 16, 2022 2:35 pm at 2:35 pm #2087195Sam KleinParticipant
He will get a much bigger and eternal reward in the next world. The the true world above where Hashem is waiting.May 16, 2022 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm #2087217
Sam Klein. Of course נחלה בלי מצריםMay 16, 2022 4:08 pm at 4:08 pm #2087216
#2087154 to Yabia Omer.
Trying to be true to the source. Which is why I copied the translated headlines as is. The site, my first source is: Srugim. It is they who posted the point of it, with pride.May 16, 2022 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #2087253
Avirah – did you even read the article?May 16, 2022 6:06 pm at 6:06 pm #2087282
Syag; sure – kid did a great job, just he shouldn’t have to in a “Jewish” stateMay 16, 2022 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #2087289
Try againMay 16, 2022 8:34 pm at 8:34 pm #2087308GadolHadofiParticipant
The 2022 International Mendeleev Olympics in Chemistry took place in Tashkent, Uzbekistan; not Israel.May 16, 2022 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #2087309
BTW. This is the most anti Jewish government, probably , in its short life history.May 16, 2022 10:48 pm at 10:48 pm #2087352
Wow, i did miss the boat – my mistakeMay 16, 2022 10:51 pm at 10:51 pm #2087354
Hatred blinds. And now that you know you are not immune you have an achriyus to do something about itMay 17, 2022 12:17 am at 12:17 am #2087361Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
Great kid. I wonder whether he could have gone there and just told them what to do so they felt bad about it. I guess it would be easier with questions rather than labs. Any chemistry would be mutar? Heating using a blech? Mix into food and drink? Might have worked for some experiments… Or just say there learning Mishna as a protest, maybe other kids would support himMay 17, 2022 12:23 am at 12:23 am #2087385
You can’t cope with a jew who makes poor money choices but you sit here trying to find ways around shabbos. You should be ashamed of yourself. Your lack of torah priorities are the worst chilul of all themMay 17, 2022 12:48 am at 12:48 am #2087391MarxistParticipant
I’m curious, what general level are these chemist savants on that participate in this competition? Are they like undergraduate students majoring in chemistry, graduate students pursuing a Phd in chemistry, full on Professors, or something else entirely?May 17, 2022 7:23 am at 7:23 am #2087439
Syag, i think my lesson is more that i shouldn’t skim articles to confirm my priors, not that I’m blinded by hateMay 17, 2022 8:16 am at 8:16 am #2087503
Confirming prior by missing information that disputed it 3 times is being blinded by hate. That wording just absolved you from taking full responsibility for it.May 17, 2022 12:04 pm at 12:04 pm #2087620Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
Somehow I agree with syag when she chastised someone else 🙂 the lesson learned is that everyone fills in the blanks with assumptions. In this case, it was a simple fact, other cases might be more subtle and stay undetected, reinforcing biases even further. I was also confused by lack of a location, so suspended judgment until I saw the references.
I don’t suggest the boy to break shabbat at all. My first idea is to make it public by just coming there. Separate suggestion to do experiments that might be allowed might be wrong in this case when Muslims did not change the rules, so this became an issue of principle rather than pure melochaMay 17, 2022 6:35 pm at 6:35 pm #2087785ujmParticipant
Syag, there’s no hate involved in mentioning that the Zionist Entity is a Shmad State. It is simply stating the facts, regardless if the specific example was in error.May 17, 2022 7:16 pm at 7:16 pm #2087818n0mesorahParticipant
You obviously just skimmed through her posts. If you would have taken the time to read them, you would understand.May 17, 2022 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #2087826MarxistParticipant
Can someone actually explain using primary sources how the “Zionist entity” is actually a “shamd state”? It’s an oft-repeated line but I have yet to see hard evidence for it.
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