January 29, 2015 11:42 pm at 11:42 pm #1070148GROSA LAMDIN1Member
who said ever1 gota wear THAT bosaleno hat y cant everbody wear the hedwear they like weather it be a baseball cap,kangle hat,or mexican fedora??January 30, 2015 1:36 am at 1:36 am #1070149NeutiquamErroParticipant
Don’t be ridiculous. Everybody knows Moshe Rabbeinu wore a bent down.January 30, 2015 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #1070150
In the context of this discussion it will take us a wild tangent that is way off topic. I dont have a problem with the word per se, as much as I have a problem with its implications. Who set those expectations, based on what criteria, how legitimate are they and what happens if they are not met now, or at some time in the future. Again, it is way off topic and is best left to another thread.January 30, 2015 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm #1070151
Who set those expectations, based on what criteria, how legitimate are they and what happens if they are not met now, or at some time in the future.
For the most part, it’s a matter of meeting basic expenses. If a bochur wants to learn for X amount of years, and the support promised doesn’t reasonably give him that opportunity, and there are other shidduchim to pursue, he will pursue those.
In my experience, most Torahdik families do not go overboard in their expectations. There are always exceptions, and those stories, true or exaggerated, get the most attention.January 30, 2015 4:26 pm at 4:26 pm #1070152flatbusherParticipant
I do not doubt that the families don’t go overboard, but I think the mothers and/or the boys do. How do you define “Torahdik,” and quantify “most” and how would you know their expectations? It would be pretty embarrassing to actually broadcast their expectations, but in private discussion, you may get a different picture. I have been involved in shidduchim and have been shocked by some of the expectations. In one example that I heard, a very simple living family with a lot of daughters, the mother said because she has lots of girls, she is “looking for the best deal” for her sons. How many shidduchim don’t proceed because of the promised support is not what the boy’s family is looking for. But I digress, if this Borsalino hat thing is such a big deal, why not make a takana that boys shouldn’t wear them, so the poor ones shouldn’t feel bad. Why is such a takana any different from the ones made on weddings?February 11, 2015 3:11 pm at 3:11 pm #1070153
Who saw the Mishpacha article on the boycott? There were several interesting points, including one hat store employee’s take that Borsalino can’t charge less based on their production costs in Italy.
Also, someone claimed that Pierre Cardin House has been working on a fedora for the frum community, and Pesach time in E.Y. and Sukkos time in the U.S. will begin selling a very high quality hat at a lower cost than Borsalino.February 11, 2015 4:53 pm at 4:53 pm #1070154oomisParticipant
The second the name brand HAT becomes more important than that which is under it, it has lost its chashivus for me.February 11, 2015 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm #1070155
I was disappointed with the mishpacha article. They didnt interview those behind this “boycott”, or those in the 13-24 year age group that they so eloquently maligned and bashed for their take on the matter. Most of all, I was really surprised they didnt try to answer a basic question. Is not buying something you cant afford, a boycott, or a prudent financial decision.February 11, 2015 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #1070156
It’s a boycott because it’s organized, and even people who would otherwise but it are supposed to not buy it.February 12, 2015 1:29 am at 1:29 am #1070157☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant
I read the article. Except for one seller saying that the quality
of the hats has gone down (though not in a way noticeable to the
average buyer), it seemed like it could have been commissioned
to discourage a boycott.
They didnt interview those behind this “boycott”, or those in the 13-24 year age group
Those said (in the article) to be behind the boycott are “Chabad bochurim,” so they’re probably in that age group, and when have
13-24-year-olds ever been asked by Mishpacha for their opinions
on serious(?) matters?February 12, 2015 2:24 am at 2:24 am #1070158mirocksMember
like someone else said: if 10 people dont buy it borsalino wont go out of buisness, a small boycott is useless(without discussing if there should be a boycott)February 12, 2015 3:45 am at 3:45 am #1070159Shlomo 2323Participant
There is no need to boycott Borsalino
They have too much demand for regular hats in other countries they sell at a higher price than Jewish hats. So effective this Pessah Borsalino will no longer sell Jewish Hats or Jewish store with the exception of Bencraft and an Israeli store. Call Primo or the Hat box and ask them if they will carry Borsalino and you will be hear that they will no longer receive hats from Borsalino. The Hat Box is pushing this Pierre Cardin story- they have no choice; but, many have tried to copy Borsalino, All have failed. For those who buy cheaper hats and don’t mind having a pound of cardboard on their heads that wont make a difference. For those who believe the new guys will match the old art well be prepared to have a heavy hat that loses its color and shape.
Hat making is an art that is disappearing. if it was so easy China would have been in it, the best they can do is a $70 hats that good for the garbage after 2 weeks other European hats are going up in price and the quality does not compare to Borsalino.
So if you want to look good in a hat then you have only 1 choice, unless we can convince people to boycott hats and wear caps instead!February 12, 2015 7:51 am at 7:51 am #1070160
Why are chabad bachurim buying expensive borsalinos, only to twist them out of shape? Any cheap hat will do.
Again, a large group of people no longer buying something they can not afford, is that a boycott or communal fiscal prudence?February 12, 2015 1:09 pm at 1:09 pm #1070161
Because the Rebbe wore that type of hat.
Why can’t it be both?March 8, 2015 3:45 am at 3:45 am #1070162March 8, 2015 3:54 am at 3:54 am #1070163
Looks like the boycott has been more successful than the organizers wildest imagination.March 8, 2015 4:26 pm at 4:26 pm #1070164NeutiquamErroParticipant
Read the article, especially the part about the issue starting in 2013, and then perhaps revise your assumption about this having anything to do with the boycott.March 8, 2015 5:32 pm at 5:32 pm #1070165
Yeah, but the boycott put the company over the top into bankruptcy court.
The power of Yidden!April 2, 2015 1:25 am at 1:25 am #1070166MortkeParticipant
Does anyone know if there is still any Borsalino around in Brooklyn for less than $200?April 2, 2015 2:43 pm at 2:43 pm #1070167MortkeParticipant
$300?July 13, 2018 1:46 pm at 1:46 pm #1557624
Yesterday Borsalino was bought out of bankruptcy court in Italy by new owners.July 13, 2018 5:42 pm at 5:42 pm #1557650hujuParticipant
Is there something wrong with Torah Jewry when supposedly frum people can discuss a hat manufacturer so extensively? I don’t think this much ink was ever spilled over Tefillin.July 13, 2018 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #1557675👑RebYidd23Participant
That’s because sofrim are very careful.July 13, 2018 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #1557691
There are plenty of seforim on hilchos Tefillin.
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