July 16, 2012 1:49 am at 1:49 am #604123
Do you have to wash and say hamotzi if you add croutons (the ones that look like toasted bread at a salad bar) to your salad??July 16, 2012 2:02 am at 2:02 am #885431
You for sure don’t have to wash unless there is a K’zayis worth of croutons in the salad and cannot make Al N’tilas Yadayim unless there is a K’beitzah (also keep in mind that there is a lot of air in the croutons). On the Bracha and the particular cases, this is a large Machlokes that may or may not depend on where or how or why the croutons were made, what they were made out of, and how crunchy they are. Unless the croutons meet very specific conditions, it’s best not to eat them outside of a Seudah that you already made Hamotzi during.July 16, 2012 2:48 am at 2:48 am #885432
Yikes. So no Caesar salad unless we wash?July 16, 2012 3:04 am at 3:04 am #885433
I wouldn’t, that’s for sure. Not unless the croutons met very, very specific standards (none of which any salad croutons on the market meet that I know of). There are certainly many who are slightly more Meikil in this than I am (it’s hard to be more Machmir but I’m sure there’s someone who’s managed it 🙂 ), but if whoever you usually hold by is then I can’t say that they’re wrong. There are a lot of opinions out there on this.July 16, 2012 3:15 am at 3:15 am #885434
Thanks for answering.
Guess I’ll be more careful about washing in the future!July 16, 2012 3:20 am at 3:20 am #885435choppyParticipant
You take psak halacha based upon online discussions??July 16, 2012 3:21 am at 3:21 am #885436
Just remember, according to the P’sak of the Shulchan Aruch you cannot make an Al Netilas Yadayim unless you have a K’beitzah of bread. So even if you have croutons that are Vadai Hamotzi (i.e. just dried bread) you wash without a Bracha unless there’s a pretty good amount.July 16, 2012 3:30 am at 3:30 am #885437YW Moderator-42Moderator
If you’re already eating croutons is a little bread that bad? Just because it’s a salad doesn’t make it healthy. 🙂July 16, 2012 3:32 am at 3:32 am #885438
No, choppy. I’m choosing to be machmir, as it’s easier than attempting to describe the crouton to my rabbi or holding a piece to show him till whenever….July 16, 2012 3:55 am at 3:55 am #885439choppyParticipant
“Choosing to be machmir” in this case is a misnomer, since YOUR Rov may hold Hamotzi is the WRONG bracha, in this case.July 16, 2012 4:10 am at 4:10 am #885440
Choppy: “Choosing to be Machmir” in this case would mean not eating it outside a Seuda where you already made Hamotzi.July 16, 2012 4:42 am at 4:42 am #885441oomisParticipant
Most caesar salad croutons are cubes of toasted bread. Assuming that there are many of them in the salad (and typically there are), there surely would be a sizeable amount to equal the requirement for washing and saying hamotzee. I actually checked it out when I just had a salda serving, and there was enough croutons cubes to equal more than a slice of bread. The best thing to do, however, is to simply get a slice of bread and wash for it.July 16, 2012 5:51 am at 5:51 am #885442
By machmir I mean I would choose to wash and eat actual bread so as to cover all my bases.
You mean to tell me that Hamotzi would be wrong on an actual piece of bread???
I didn’t think so. You must have misunderstood.July 16, 2012 11:42 am at 11:42 am #8854431st timerParticipant
While we are on the topic of brochos, I have been questioning people asking what the brocha on avocado is? Most say haadama, but I believe haeitz.July 17, 2012 2:16 am at 2:16 am #885445fedup11210Member
1st timer: Rabbi Forst’s sefer – The Laws of Berochos states that the brocho for avacados are haeitz. They grow on trees so I don’t know why anyone would think to make a haadama.July 17, 2012 2:46 am at 2:46 am #885446pcozMember
Why are the croutons different to bread eaten to accompany salty fish which you don’t make a berachah on?July 17, 2012 3:19 am at 3:19 am #885447
Pcoz: Because there the bread is serving no purpose of taste or to fill you up whatsoever. It’s completely Tafeil because it’s only purpose is to make the fish palatable. That’s not true with the salad.July 17, 2012 7:29 pm at 7:29 pm #885448Shticky GuyParticipant
While we are on the topic of brochos, I have been questioning people asking what the brocha on avocado is? Most say haadama, but I believe haeitz.
What makes you think that “most” say haadama? And why do you “believe” haeitz and not check for sure?
The real name for avocado is avocado pear. Think of this and you’ll know it’s a haeitz! Check any of many english brachos sefarim, though not all have the same bracha for everything!
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