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Did you all see the footage/pictures from the Belz Rebbe’s grandson’s wedding? The pictures were absolutely unbelievable and stunning, quite a sight! My question is: why did the Kallah wear her veil the entire time? I don’t know much about Belz, is that a custom? How does she see? What’s the custom?
I hope no one says “troll” because I genuinely want to know.
I read the comment below the newspaper online article covering the wedding. Awful. I wanted to fight back but then I would have had to create a username for that sight and I just gave up. Sometimes I forget how much the works gates Jews!
The wedding was amazing and the kalla did NOT wear a veil the whole time. She wore it from kabalas panim until she got to the yichud room, where she removed it. It then stayed off when she went to the ladies for the meal and dancing, and was put back on before she went in for mitzvah tantz. Both by the chupa and mitzvah tantz, the only reason her face stayed covered was because she was in front of so many men, for tznius purposes. they do the same at every “rebbish” chasuna – not just belz
saw the pictures and videos (there’s some good ones on youtube) and found it fascinating. whenever the kallah was in public (chuppah, mitzva tantze) etc. thats when she had a veil on, so all the pictures show her with the veil cuz when she was only with the women i assume there were no pictures.
i happen to think it was very nice, you really dont need 25,000 men staring at you in any situation, especially at your wedding. she’s the only ‘white’ thing in the room (dress) and she sticks out enough already….its human nature to glance or gaze at things that stick out (ex: most ppl will reflexively notice other people’s skin showing, part of the reason why tznius is so important)
i also loved the ‘hat’ piece that she had on to cover her hair, it was stunning. i saw a close up shot of it, covered in crystals and diamonds. tasteful, tznius and elegant, gorgeous
Well, I guess she was the only “white thing” around if you don’t count the 50,000 other “white things” in the room. Can you guess what they were?
I watched the chupa live from my porch and the meal and mitzvah tantz via satellite hookup. it was amazing!
Did anyone else notice how the groom wasnt smiling? Nor were any of the female faces that somehow snuck into a picture.
Why do some people treat weddings with the solmeness of Yom Kippur and the depressed emotions of Tisha B’av?
Did anyone else notice how the groom wasnt smiling? Nor were any of the female faces that somehow snuck into a picture.
Why do some people treat weddings with the solmeness of Yom Kippur and the depressed emotions of Tisha B’av?
With your cynicism, I’m not sure I trust you would know what a smile looks like.
Crisis
You always find something nice to say.
It’s not cynicism..it’s reality.
Since when does hilchos tznius require a woman to cover her face when there are men around? Are Belz chassidim now joining the burka cult?
Since when does hilchos tznius require a woman to cover her face when there are men around? Are Belz chassidim now joining the burka cult?
Wow, we’re bringing out all the anti-semites here.
Since when does tznius require you to say hateful things about anyone different than you?
Since when does hilchos tznius require a woman to cover her face when there are men around? Are Belz chassidim now joining the burka cult?
Its a minhag of many, and had you thought about it for a second, you could think of many good reasons why the girl would not want to be stared at during her chppah.
I don’t understand why the OP was surprised by the hateful remarks posted on the Yahoo comment boards when you have hateful remarks right here on YWN from people who call themselves frum.
Its a minhag of many, and had you thought about it for a second, you could think of many good reasons why the girl would not want to be stared at during her chppah
Considering its all over all the internet including the main story on Yahoo I think lots of peoples stared at her
gavra: During the chuppah, I know the usual minhag is to keep the veil on. But what about later, like during the mitzvah tantz?
people stop hating. anyway, if anyone here would dare make a comment about the fact that dati-leumis go to their chppah in an untucked shirt, beige pants and sandals people would shry antisemite. go away.
Toi: No, I don’t have an issue with how people dress to their wedding. I have a problem when they claim a halachic basis that doesn’t exist. There are specific parts of a person’s body that must be covered. The face isn’t one of them. This might fall under bal tosif.
I did not see much of the vidoes but I am indeed surprised that the kallah put her veil back on during the mitzvah tenz. I have been to countless chassidische chasunos of all stripes and the kallah did not cover her face during these mitzvah tenz. The remark about burkas is not far fetched.
Crisis: In some of the pictures I saw, some of the women (and men) were in fact smiling. Regardless, I wouldn’t read too much into smiling in these types of pictures, because it all depends on when the picture was taken, as well as the kind of image the photographer or the website editor wants to convey.
People have a (false) image of charedim as very serious and somber, and perhaps the photographer or editor wanted to go along with that, consciously or unconsciously.
Another thing to consider is that if it’s a several hour event and you haven’t eaten yet, it can be tiring and you’re not going to see most people smiling most of the time.
About the comments on news sites: Everyone should do themselves a favor and never read the comments! That’s the only place anti-Semites have to spread their message. So that’s where they hang out. I don’t think it says anything about the general population.
DaMoshe: While you might not be inherently wrong (you are about Bal Tosif, but not about the rest), no one is trumpeting any Halachos here. The Kallah for whatever reason wanted her face covered. She didn’t say it’s a Chiyuv, her father didn’t say it’s a Chiyuv, no one said it’s a Chiyuv. All we know is she covered her face. That’s it.
Oh, and it’s a B’feirush Gemara that it’s Assur L’histakel Bifnei Kallah Afilu L’chab’va Al Baalah.
ok, i think not covering collarbones is bal tigrah. maybe she did it for comfort.
I didn’t see any of this, but I don’t presume to second- guess people for their personal reasons for doing things. mazel tov to them.
rabbiofberlin, hold the surprise! It depends on the different types of Chassidim. I’m not an expert on different Chassidish minhagim, but I do know that some Chassidim do have the Kallah cover her face at Mitzvah Tantz. Others, as you’ve seen, do not. A little respect for different minhagim, that’s all it takes.
“Since when does hilchos tznius require a woman to cover her face when there are men around? Are Belz chassidim now joining the burka cult?”
Why are you assuming that she was “required” to cover her face? Maybe she wanted to cover her face or her parents asked her to.
Or maybe its like a Shtreimel. A non-halachic custom in the community.
have a problem when they claim a halachic basis that doesn’t exist.
Had they handed that out in a flier to each guest?
Not every critism is Anti-Semtism.
You would not find a Mitzvah Tanz in Lakewood
I’m not one for extra chumras but if i had to be in front of a group of men, especially 25000, i would definitely want to have my face covered.
As Rabbi Miller ??”? says, ??? ??? ?????, you can tell a person from what he “praises”, or what gets him excited.
Nebach, a kallah covered her face modestly, so that in the myriads of men one shouldn’t gaze upon her, and the place here goes wild. NO – she was not mechuyav to, NOBODY forced her. OK? She, as a true Bas Yisroel felt and acted upon an inner calling to be more Tznuah. DOES ANYONE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THAT?!
Not every critism is Anti-Semtism.
Of course not. This is probably the first time I’ve called a comment anti-semitism on YWN ever.
Oh Shreck: So she felt that she knows hilchos tznius better than the Mechaber, the Mishna Berurah, etc?
and the place here goes wild.
you’re the only one yelling
DaMoshe, when was the last time you went through the sugya of bal tosif?
Just for the information of all the “experts” here: the kalla covers her face by mitzvah tantz at ALL rebbish chasunas. It is not a halacha. No other belzer kalla covers her face by mitzvah tantz. But she was marrying the grandson of the rebbe, not a regular belzer chossid. No one asked you to do it. Why do you mind that she did?
Oh Shreck: So she felt that she knows hilchos tznius better than the Mechaber, the Mishna Berurah, etc?
Is it then your contention that it is assur to cover any part of your body if not required by halacha?
Anti-semite
I think many poskim hold a Burka to be assur
She, as a true Bas Yisroel felt and acted upon an inner calling to be more Tznuah.
So, if she didn’t have an inner calling to be more tznuah, would that make her a false Bas Yisrael?
PBA: It depends on why you’re doing it. If it’s out of comfort or style, then no, it’s not assur. If you’re doing it to try and be more “frum”, then yes, I’d say it is.
Syag, I was’t yelling Not even getting wild All keys on my keyboard still work (hey where’s the <period>, oops)
PBA: It depends on why you’re doing it. If it’s out of comfort or style, then no, it’s not assur. If you’re doing it to try and be more “frum”, then yes, I’d say it is.
1. Why do you assume she was doing it to be more frum? Maybe she is just embarrassed to stand with 25k men staring at her (I would be)?
2. That is simply not the halacha; you are simply wrong. It is not baal tosif to be machmir on tznius. Perhaps if you claim it is min hadin, but nobody has made such a claim .
Anti-semite.
DaMoshe
You do realize that the Chassidim are more machmir on Hilchos Tznius than the non Chassidish (or rather that they “keep” Hilchos Tzniyus vee es darft tzu zein)?
I am not Chassidish but I definitely applaud their lifestyle (most things at least) and think that with regards to certain things they got it right. The lack of Tzniyus and mingling by simchos and what not that goes on by the non Chassidish velt is utterly disgusting. I was recently by a “Yeshivish” vort and they had one of those half mechitza thingies where theres some trees here and there and the middle is divided by a table where if you just look up you can see the whole ladies section. If that wasnt enough there were women coming over into the mens section. Is this what Hashem wants from us? It has become so common place that by “shmorg” style events men and women mingle that we have forgotten that theres even something wrong with it.
I think anyone anti Tznius is actually someone who is not healthy in these areas and wants things to be in a non Torahdig not Kedushahdig way. I think on some level they feel threatened by others who control themselves in this area.
Did pba get a new signature?
I don’t get why people are so worked up about this.
Covering at the Mitzvah tantz is a Rebbish Minhagim, not Belz. It is done in all Rebbish circles.
As a Belzer, I can assure you that no other Belzers do this, it definitely has nothing to do with Halacha.
And if someone feels they want to take an extra step in Tznius, without bothering anyone else, then good for them.
Many Minhagim is far beyond my understanding, but as long as it isn’t done on another person’s expense, I respect it.
And about the smiles,I’ve seen plenty smiles throughout this wedding. Yes, it was very serious too, considering all the emotions involved, for those who know Belz history.
Don’t dig up more problems than our communities already have. We have enough, no need to search for more.
smartcookie-you are wrong. It is not a Rrebbeshi minhag at all. I have never seen it. And, as far as others seeing her face, please consult masechet kesubos where you will find the saying ‘kalloh no-eh vechasudoh’. How else can you judge this? (note the other shittah-“kalooh kemo she-hi)
Rabbiofberlin- I’ve heard about this concept only by Rebbish weddings. Perhaps not all.
.. and the other half (ossur lehistakel) your conveniently forgot.
And just because you have not seen it doesn’t mean it’s not a Rebbishe minhag. Are you Rebbish? Have you been to all Rebbish chasunas? Actually I have not either, (I’m not Rebbish, they for some reason don’t personally extend their invitations to me), I have seen pictures / clips of countless Rebbish chasunas where the Kallah covers in the same manner.
I am somewhat at a loss as to why my comment wasn’t posted considering the other comments that have posted.
Why is everyone interested in what she looks like,the only one who should care is her chassan. Is this the people magazine website?
When you have 25,000 people its going to be a spectacle.
If you really want a quiet private wedding invite 100 people
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